I still like my sick days 24 a year. A union is only needed where the employeer shafts the employee(s). Now just think what would happen to these employees at the city without CUPE!!!! da you want to work for $9.00
Sick Days
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Just coincidence, but my district manager got it in the neck today.
21 years. He was still a young man, too. Nice guy, knew his job.
Re-organization after our company was acquired as part of a merger.
I'm sure he got an excellent package, but still....
I hope he took every sick day and vacation owed to him.
21 years. He was still a young man, too. Nice guy, knew his job.
Re-organization after our company was acquired as part of a merger.
I'm sure he got an excellent package, but still....
I hope he took every sick day and vacation owed to him.
buckwheat1 said:
Like I've said we need unions for reasons already stated. It's been 30 years since I worked for $9.00/hr. Never saw a union anywhere.
Mrbig1949 said:
In your world if the deal is not negotiated, you make the house unlivable for anyone else and prevent the buyer from looking at another house by striking
How is that a good comparison??
Not even close
If I think your asking too much for your house, I am free to look at another house. But not in your world. Strange world
A much simpler solution is the employer offers a fair wage & benefits package & the employee can accept it or look elsewhere.
That way there is no extortion (strike) & the customer continues to receive the good or services uninterrupted & everyone wins.
This is what you nimrod lefts do not recognize. The most important person in any business is the not the worker Its the customer
This simple concept separates most successful organizations from the also rans.
You seem to think the business organization exists to provide you with a living. Thats not the case
If the supply of qualified employees is low the employer is forced to raise his offer.
If the supply is low he is not forced to raise his offer.
Just like buying a house or car, but nobody buys a house or car under the threat of a strike
Mrbig1949 said:
I'm listening. Anyone else?
By the way, a new offer from the city is on the table, sorry the status quo is not it. I think it's sick day buy out offer. No other info.
Mrbig1949 said:
I noticed you didn't deny that most CUPE workers are lazy fucks and that they join CUPE shops because they don't really want to work.
BTW, if city planners and nurses aids are CUPE workers that probably means they are lazy fucks, like all the other CUPE workers.
I stand my my comment: I would NEVER work for a CUPE shop because it would be an immediate career killer. If I ever tried to go get a real job I would have a hard time convincing anyone that i'm not a lazy fuck. Total career killer.
Maybe you could save the day by spending some time in the interview griping about how you were forced to join a ridiculous union and how unpleasant it made life working there since everyone else was so lazy. That might do it, but it's really not worth the risk.
Mrbig1949 said:
Funny, when companies get together to fix prices, it is known as price fixing and is illegal. For some strange reason, capitalist cartels are frowned upon.
But when the left unionizes and fixes prices, that is somehow ok.
Workers have a say in wages without unions. They can either work for the offered price, negotiate a better deal for themselves, or go find another job.
Mrbig1949 said:
Thats how dated your view of the economy is
Honestly, globalization has exponentially increased the competition all Canadian organizations are facing. (Including the city of Toronto, it is in competition for conventions & tourism dollars- this garbage strike has done a lot of damage)
Paying 20,000 employees to not work 21 days out of 250 will just not cut it going forward.
With who? You?
If it has done a lot of damage the fault is totally on the city. 3% + status quo is just soooo easy. Check the offer coming this weekend. Sam Sullivan lost his own parties nomination for Mayor of Vancouver because he left garbage workers (CUPE) out too long. Behind the screen Metro Labour Council will be telling Miller you better end this in our favour soon or go fuck yourself at the Labour Day parade on Labour Day. If this happens he can dust off the old resume.
JohnLarue said:
If it has done a lot of damage the fault is totally on the city. 3% + status quo is just soooo easy. Check the offer coming this weekend. Sam Sullivan lost his own parties nomination for Mayor of Vancouver because he left garbage workers (CUPE) out too long. Behind the screen Metro Labour Council will be telling Miller you better end this in our favour soon or go fuck yourself at the Labour Day parade on Labour Day. If this happens he can dust off the old resume.
Mrbig1949 said:
3% + is so easy but so wrong.
Your own words. The unions will be threatening His Whiteness to do what they want or else; and your behind the curtains and privy to these comments .... just how?
The union's response to the cities last offer, 'THTHTHTHTHTH!!!' I hope I got the right spelling.
Mrbig1949 said:
So the value that the union provides is the absence of blackmail and extortion if and only if you agree to their terms?
Nice
All the more reason to stand up to this group & make them provide real value in exchange for their wages & benefits, like the rest of the civilized non-unionized workforce
What you are not going to get!
In Larue's mind and a few others, the owner/managers arrives at a compensation package and puts it out there on a take it or work somewhere else basis. What kind of dreamland is that? Wake up. Read some history.
JohnLarue said:
In Larue's mind and a few others, the owner/managers arrives at a compensation package and puts it out there on a take it or work somewhere else basis. What kind of dreamland is that? Wake up. Read some history.
Mrbig1949 said:
It works for 70 to 80% of the workforce.
If the employee feels he is under compensated he finds another job.
This is a bad thing for the employer if the employee is a valued asset, which most are. So most tend to raise compensation to keep good employees
What makes your group of workers so special that the laws of supply & demand do not apply to them?
Oh yes I forgot. They are willing to apply extortion
Mrbig1949 said:
I've negotiated enough contracts for projects involving staff of various sizes and don't remember the last time someone open the discussion with, 'this is my offer, take or leave it.' So your over simplified statement is more a reflection of the adversarial environment that you and your representatives operate in; at who instigation I'm not in a position to say, but you seem to say it happens all the time. Maybe it's time to look at your attitudes, product or presentation at these negotiation meetings. It's certainly something that I don't deal with as often as you do. There's almost always give and take to come up with the right solution.
If you go into negotiations with an attitude of this it it, nothing else will do, no wonder you get scorn and resistance as often as you claim.
