I still like my sick days 24 a year. A union is only needed where the employeer shafts the employee(s). Now just think what would happen to these employees at the city without CUPE!!!! da you want to work for $9.00
buckwheat1 said:I still like my sick days 24 a year. A union is only needed where the employeer shafts the employee(s). Now just think what would happen to these employees at the city without CUPE!!!! da you want to work for $9.00
Mrbig1949 said:You gotta love Larue, why should workers have a say in wages. Oh cause they have had a say since about the 1860s in Canada. Ever buy a house or a car? One side is buying one side is selling. If they reach a common price they have a deal, if they don't one side has to move or the deal falls apart.
It is exactly the same thing with a labour agreement. The workers organize a union and tell the employer the price of labour is X. Boss says no it is Y. They negotiate until they have a deal or it falls apart eg strike or lockout. The workers have an equal say in wages just as one person applying to a one employee company has a say.
JohnLarue said:In your world if the deal is not negotiated, you make the house unlivable for anyone else and prevent the buyer from looking at another house by striking
How is that a good comparison??
Not even close
If I think your asking too much for your house, I am free to look at another house. But not in your world. Strange world
A much simpler solution is the employer offers a fair wage & benefits package & the employee can accept it or look elsewhere.
That way there is no extortion (strike) & the customer continues to receive the good or services uninterrupted & everyone wins.
This is what you nimrod lefts do not recognize. The most important person in any business is the not the worker Its the customer
This simple concept separates most successful organizations from the also rans.
You seem to think the business organization exists to provide you with a living. Thats not the case
If the supply of qualified employees is low the employer is forced to raise his offer.
If the supply is low he is not forced to raise his offer.
Just like buying a house or car, but nobody buys a house or car under the threat of a strike
Mrbig1949 said:It must be frustrating for you Larue, holding these extreme opinions and knowing there isn't a snowball's chance anybody is listening?
Mrbig1949 said:Lots of city planners and nurses aids in CUPE You said public workers are lazy so I listed many of the lazy fucks you seem to be talking about.
Mrbig1949 said:It must be frustrating for you Larue, holding these extreme opinions and knowing there isn't a snowball's chance anybody is listening?
JohnLarue said:Other way around pal.
Take a look at the poll
Mrbig1949 said:It is exactly the same thing with a labour agreement. The workers organize a union and tell the employer the price of labour is X. Boss says no it is Y. They negotiate until they have a deal or it falls apart eg strike or lockout. The workers have an equal say in wages just as one person applying to a one employee company has a say.
Compromised said:Funny, when companies get together to fix prices, it is known as price fixing and is illegal. For some strange reason, capitalist cartels are frowned upon.
But when the left unionizes and fixes prices, that is somehow ok.
Workers have a say in wages without unions. They can either work for the offered price, negotiate a better deal for themselves, or go find another job.
Mrbig1949 said:Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz tired old rhetoric, ad hominem attacks, sounds like turn of the century stuff. The 20th C.
JohnLarue said:Thats how dated your view of the economy is
Honestly, globalization has exponentially increased the competition all Canadian organizations are facing. (Including the city of Toronto, it is in competition for conventions & tourism dollars- this garbage strike has done a lot of damage)
Paying 20,000 employees to not work 21 days out of 250 will just not cut it going forward.
Mrbig1949 said:If it has done a lot of damage the fault is totally on the city. 3% + status quo is just soooo easy. Check the offer coming this weekend. Sam Sullivan lost his own parties nomination for Mayor of Vancouver because he left garbage workers (CUPE) out too long. Behind the screen Metro Labour Council will be telling Miller you better end this in our favour soon or go fuck yourself at the Labour Day parade on Labour Day. If this happens he can dust off the old resume.
Mrbig1949 said:If it has done a lot of damage the fault is totally on the city. 3% + status quo is just soooo easy. Check the offer coming this weekend. Sam Sullivan lost his own parties nomination for Mayor of Vancouver because he left garbage workers (CUPE) out too long. Behind the screen Metro Labour Council will be telling Miller you better end this in our favour soon or go fuck yourself at the Labour Day parade on Labour Day. If this happens he can dust off the old resume.
JohnLarue said:So the value that the union provides is the absence of blackmail and extortion if and only if you agree to their terms?
Nice
All the more reason to stand up to this group & make them provide real value in exchange for their wages & benefits, like the rest of the civilized non-unionized workforce
Mrbig1949 said:In Larue's mind and a few others, the owner/managers arrives at a compensation package and puts it out there on a take it or work somewhere else basis. What kind of dreamland is that? Wake up. Read some history.
Mrbig1949 said:In Larue's mind and a few others, the owner/managers arrives at a compensation package and puts it out there on a take it or work somewhere else basis. What kind of dreamland is that? Wake up. Read some history.