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Should trump be charged

Should trump be charged with genocide

  • yes

    Votes: 15 60.0%
  • no

    Votes: 10 40.0%

  • Total voters
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derrick76

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May 10, 2011
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I am not arguing whether there is an equivalence. Someone
suggested Trump is essentially responsible for the death
of tens of thousands of people. I am questioning if the Swedish
government can be hold responsible as well for adopting a
strategy of fighting the pandemic without a *real* lock down.
Trump did make remarks devoid of common sense. But what he
said wasn't official announcement of the government on
how people should deal with the virus. America is a free
country. Conformity is not in American's DNA. People didn't
have to take Trump's stupid remarks seriously.



I have no idea what different demographics and refugee
population has to do with the astonishingly higher death rate
in Sweden by comparison to its neighbours. I only know a *real*
lock down in Sweden should have been no more challenging
than in Denmark and Finland.
It's a false equivalence because Trump said it's no big deal, it's just a flu...no it's not real, it's actually a hoax. How on earth is that the same as the Swedish government telling citizens to exercise caution, practice distancing, wash your hands, and work from home if you can? Also closing certain institutions, some malls, fining certain establishments that exceeded capacity and even closed them down.

Trump told people to jump into the fire. There is a difference. You're equating a man telling people to have sex without a condom because AIDs doesn't exist, with another stating you should use the condom because AIDs does exist? You could argue that the other should force the condom into the person's hand, but it's still not the same.

Trump knows his base. His base are mindless and listen to everything he says. So too the governors who are beholden to him - like DeSantis. Look at FOX news and what they transmit to the populace. Oh yeah, they don't have to listen to him, but nether does the killer who was told/encouraged to murder someone by the person whose every word they hang on.

As for the demographics, the communities that were hit hard in Sweden aren't present in neighbouring Norway and Denmark. Germany, Belgium and France are more comparable. Only Germany performed well out of those. France and Belgium were locked tight and didn't. They in fact have much higher death rates than Sweden. Being mere neighbours have very little do with anything. Many countries with neighbours who employ the same strategies but they get different results. Germany vs France? Portugal vs Spain?

Added to that, the majority of the dead in Sweden were over 75 and from care homes. They failed with those people. A hard lock down wasn't preventing that. Another thing I had read somewhere was that most of Denmark's flu deaths occurred just before the pandemic hit big time, and missed Covid, while Sweden had a big drop in flu deaths before Covid hit.

Sweden made mistakes. Trump was malicious.
 
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daywalker11

Mongerer
Dec 27, 2011
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Toronto
They need to move closer to a Canadian style health care system.
Our health care system is great! Just dont get seriously sick to the point where time is of the essence, lol. If you do you are pretty much screwed.

That said, the US has some serious gaps in there healthcare system.
 

shack

Nitpicker Extraordinaire
Oct 2, 2001
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Toronto
Our health care system is great! Just dont get seriously sick to the point where time is of the essence, lol. If you do you are pretty much screwed.

That said, the US has some serious gaps in there healthcare system.
I agree that it ain't perfect and wait times are occasionally an issue. However, the average Canadian lives longer than the average American. I think that says a lot when comparing the two systems.
 

Butler1000

Well-known member
Oct 31, 2011
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They need to move closer to a Canadian style health care system.
Won't happen for years now. Biden stated he would veto it.
 

wigglee

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Oct 13, 2010
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If he promises to shut up and accept defeat gracefully ( and not ever run again), maybe pardon him. If he continues to push for civil war, throw the fucking book at the idiot.
 

shack

Nitpicker Extraordinaire
Oct 2, 2001
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Toronto
Won't happen for years now. Biden stated he would veto it.
It will be a process. The first steps are getting them to realise that insurance companies are not needed and it does not make them a socialist society with death panels. Without them as the middle man, a lot of money can go to health care instead of profits.
 

y2kmark

Class of 69...
May 19, 2002
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Lewiston, NY
If he promises to shut up and accept defeat gracefully ( and not ever run again), maybe pardon him. If he continues to push for civil war, throw the fucking book at the idiot.
In Joe's victory speech he mentioned "a thirst for justice" That's got to have a lot of members of the Donald's inner circle really worried.

In the Civil War documentary series, a soldier was brought before Robert E. Lee. The charges weren't specified, but to be standing tall before the commanding general of the entire Army of Northern Virginia, he had to be in some pretty deep shit.

"Don't be afraid son, you will find justice here"

"Well General, that's what I'm afraid of."
 

Butler1000

Well-known member
Oct 31, 2011
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It will be a process. The first steps are getting them to realise that insurance companies are not needed and it does not make them a socialist society with death panels. Without them as the middle man, a lot of money can go to health care instead of profits.
I agree.

Now go look at Biden's donor list. That's why he said it. They and the health providers know it means price controls, same with the Big Pharma.

Biden knows exactly what has to be done. And he, along with the GOP and several House and Senate Dems won't do it. Period.

The first process is to remove the opposition to it. Because they will not be convinced. They want the money, and later board position. And lobbyist job.

The Majority of Americans already want it.
 
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