No, but you glossed over the part where I said 'racist'. I didn't. Go read the post over.
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Please explain how VERY clearly discerning between race & culture, then specifically attacking the culture is racist?If you were so welcoming then why won;t you give a guy with a name like Deshawn a chance?
And if he changed his name to Jake or Chad he would be a different person.
Just because you say the odd liberal or non racist thing it's not like a balancing act. It doesn't take away from the racist statements that you did make.
Go on.. take your time to think about it.
I'll insert my response in bold below what I'm responding to.
No Culture & race are 2 separate things... Believing otherwise is the racist point of view. Think.
Yes culture and race are different, but have been used interchangeably in this thread and in 'everyday use'.
Only as a last resort, & at the FIRST hint of ebonics GTFO. Same goes doubly for wiggers.
Using the W-word is just a way of not saying 'white people who act like niggers.' This just proves that you view black people as something 'less' and 'lesser white people' are no better.
It wouold be a good start to distance himself from a failed culture.
Quoting fuji lends no significance to your argument. According to recent news, the cultures in the Northern Hemisphere appear to be failiing (e.g. the economic downturn).
Ummm... I was VERY clear that I was referring to a SUBSET of black people who in my opinion exhibit a red flag to their CULTURAL leanings.
NOT all black people.
A subset you are defining by their given names. Funny that the perpetrator of focus in this thread is Christopher Husbands; aka the Eaton Centre shooter. By your logic/process you would hire him before Trayvon Martin; the teen killed in Florida by the Neighbourhood Watch volunteer.
Learn to read.
Same as above to you.
Did you read this part: "It's seriously the black equivalent of a white kid named David Duke or Adolf...
I'm not sorry about it either... I'd sooner hire a John Smith from ANY race over a Treyvon or Hitler"
Or did you just glaze over the parts that Won't let you scream racist?
By Blend in I speak directly to those people who "act black" Emulating almost ANY other culture will work better for them. What is generally understood to be "Black culture" is, to put it bluntly, INFERIOR. It doesn't work. It will Never work. & the sad thing is that too many decent blsck people are wasting their lives being pressured by the asshats of their "community" to actually live DOWN to a standard of behaviour.
I honestly say to anyone in the black "community": Come over to our side & live like US. Abandon this idiotic notion of "black culture"... Our way WORKS. We welcome you with open arms & you'll be happy & successful. I also say the same to trailer trash, eurotrash & those inexplicably STUPID white kids that think that acting black is any way to live a life.
Now, define white culture and I'll pass the message to others to join 'them'.
In fact I hate even having to call it "acting black bc it's not confined to race & it IS something anyone can fix about themselves. Personally I think if there is still a place for the N word is should be exclusively used to refer to anyone of any race that "acts black" as the term is erroneously understood. "acting black" is insulting to the Black people that act like human beings & the N word should span any person of any race that voluntarily devolves.
Huh? You hate calling it (acting black, but then reference the N-word to further define it. But, 'acting black' is also the opposite of acting like a human being. By the way, 'nigger' has a long history that would make it a sore reference point in this conversation. But as I said, you don't have to experience that stigma, so you feel it's okay to tip-toe around and use it to make a point. Do you do this in everyday life, or just online?
I apologize. You didn't use the term racist.No, but you glossed over the part where I said 'racist'. I didn't. Go read the post over.
This kind of sounds like you're saying it in a different way. Was I mistaken? I don't think there should be a stigma with Being black. I DO very much believe civilized people are very much within their rights & reasons to shun anyone, whatever their race that ACTS black.This post proves that their is a stigma associated with being black; no matter what the person's individual traits/merits are.
I'm sorry. I really tried to understand what you must be Trying to say but I'm not 100% in tune with your particular dialect of rambling.I'll respond in bold.
Please try to CLEARLY explain wtf your damage is & how on earth you managed to get racist from what I wrote.
I CLEARLY explained the fllowing:
- The term "black culture" is MISLEADING & I wish I didn't have to use it but it's simply the vernacular term to describe the specific "cultural" phenomenon I'm describing.
- I went on to also suggest that instead of using that term, we might repurpose the N word to describe this "cultural" phenomenon & STOP limiting it's useage on basis of race.
What did you not get here?
To understand, one has to watch the CBC documentary titled "Gold Mountain" and/or read up on the history of Chinese immigrants in Canada. For example, it was Chinese labour that built the CPR.The head tax argument actually proves two things. First, sure they paid to get in, but were they brought in as chattel, or were they admitted as immigrants? Also, if they can afford $100,000 to enter, what does that say about their income back home. Not much, perhaps, but something.
Haven't seen the suggested documentary, but I am pretty good with the history of immigration to North America. Only one group was forced over.To understand, one has to watch the CBC documentary titled "Gold Mountain" and/or read up on the history of Chinese immigrants in Canada. For example, it was Chinese labour that built the CPR.
The Chinese got Shafted regularly & often. Somehow hard work, discipline & strong family values allowed them to overcome all of that & largely earn the respect of everyone around them.To understand, one has to watch the CBC documentary titled "Gold Mountain" and/or read up on the history of Chinese immigrants in Canada. For example, it was Chinese labour that built the CPR.
Amazing what a culture can overcome by acting like that than wallowing in victimhood & their own filth.
Equally amazing is with all the evidence of Blacks who "act white or chinese" & Chinese & whites who "act black" it's the Actions of the culture they follow that best determines results.
Personally I think most people ARE judged by the content of their character & it's only the TRASH who are basically begging us to judge them by their race.....
I tried to edit my post for clarity.I'm sorry. I really tried to understand what you must be Trying to say but I'm not 100% in tune with your particular dialect of rambling.
Please try to CLEARLY explain wtf your damage is & how on earth you managed to get racist from what I wrote.
I CLEARLY explained the fllowing:
- The term "black culture" is MISLEADING & I wish I didn't have to use it but it's simply the vernacular term to describe the specific "cultural" phenomenon I'm describing.
- I went on to also suggest that instead of using that term, we might repurpose the N word to describe this "cultural" phenomenon & STOP limiting it's useage on basis of race.
What did you not get here?
No, we cannot repurpose the word 'nigger'. It has a history and one that should be kept unedited to make people feel better about a period that is shocking, embarassing, and very relevant. We'd have an easier time repurposing Adolf to mean 'one who loves his people', but I won't suggest that because I'm sure the Jewish community of the world (as well as homosexuals and blacks to name a couple) would see it as insensitive.
Here's a suggestion, why not repurpose the names Treyvonn and Deshawn to mean 'a couple of people you don't know, but may work well with and even become friends with'?
I hear you but "forced" can be defined more liberally. Many Jews arrived in Canada because they were "forced" out of Russia. Same for many Irish and so on. Using a slightly different example, the first Rockslingers arrived in Australia (a country very similar to Canada) on prison ships and yet they carved out a good life for themselves in their new homeland.Only one group was forced over.
When I lived in Montreal, I spent a brief period living in the St. Urbain Street "Jewish Ghetto" except there were very few Jews still living there because they all moved to Westmount or Hampstead. When I use to visit NYC, I spent a bit of time touring the Lower East Side "Jewish Ghetto" except there were very few Jews still living there because they all moved to Westchester or L.A. ("L.A. is fine and the sun shines most of the time but I'm New York born and raised" Neil Diamond).
Almost (but not all) every ethnic group has had to carve out a life for themselves and each succeeding generation has done better than the past.
You have no idea what you are talking about. It was another form of slavery. The human traffickers allured their victims to Canada and paid the $ and other expense. The Chinese gangs "took care of" the victims' families back in China to keep the victims in line. Now, the victims were in great debt, had nowhere to go, and in foreign land. The traffickers could introduce them to trusted "Canadian employers" to do some hardest, most dangerous jobs.if they can afford $100,000 to enter, what does that say about their income back home. Not much, perhaps, but something.
In spite of their less than superior size cocks. Just kidding!Somehow hard work, discipline & strong family values allowed them to overcome all of that & largely earn the respect of everyone around them.
I think I'll refrain from replying to your comments in the future due to their derogatory nature (using 'filth' and your deception by stating you hate using a term but use it once a post).The Chinese got Shafted regularly & often. Somehow hard work, discipline & strong family values allowed them to overcome all of that & largely earn the respect of everyone around them.
Amazing what a culture can overcome by acting like that than wallowing in victimhood & their own filth.
Equally amazing is with all the evidence of Blacks who "act white or chinese" & Chinese & whites who "act black" it's the Actions of the culture they follow that best determines results.
Personally I think most people ARE judged by the content of their character & it's only the TRASH who are basically begging us to judge them by their race.....
I'll even use your post as the groundwork of my response...
You said:
Personally I think most people ARE judged by the content of their character & it's only the TRASH who are basically begging us to judge them by their race.....
I'll say:
Personally I think themexi judges most people by their race/culture/ethnicity & he's basically begging us (and himself) to think otherwise in order to validate his questionable (I think flawed) logic.
Ok, since it's not an excuse for crime, it's drop it. It's obviously irrelevant to the present topic. Blacks cannot use this sort of thing as an excuse for their outrageous violence.Oh here we go again. I cite a real study and you just make up your own results.
But you are also making a huge leap. The study was just showing that htere is a bias in hiring. It did not extend this bias to become an excuse for crime.
I would agree that there historic reasons why black culture is a broken, failed culture that promotes violence. However, in the modern world, what's relevant is that it's a broken, failed culture that promotes violence. It needs too be fixed. We aren't going to re-live the last few hundred years. It's the future that should concern us.Only one group was forced over.
Who broke it? Who should be responsible for fixing it? Not looking for handouts, just an agreed upon, viable, and non-demeaning solution. It's not 'failed' (and that term is demeaning) but one that has always been in a compromised position in North America through little fault of its own. Say what you want about today, but to deny the full historical impact is not going to promote a co-operative solution.I would agree that there historic reasons why black culture is a broken, failed culture that promotes violence. However, in the modern world, what's relevant is that it's a broken, failed culture that promotes violence. It needs too be fixed. We aren't going to re-live the last few hundred years. It's the future that should concern us.
Quick! Call Frankcastle and get my meds. fuji and I are bridging a gap.
Ok... You still haven't accomplished anything by replying. I have very clearly distinguished between race & culture. I have separated the 2. I have clearly stated that it is this particular culture that I find to be wrong. I have not only stated that blacks who reject that culture are fine by me & that any other race that adopts it is trash. I don't see how you can harp on & on about race in regards to something that couldn't be stated any more clearly as a purely cultural issue.I think I'll refrain from replying to your comments in the future due to their derogatory nature (using 'filth' and your deception by stating you hate using a term but use it once a post).
I'll even use your post as the groundwork of my response...
You said:
Personally I think most people ARE judged by the content of their character & it's only the TRASH who are basically begging us to judge them by their race.....
I'll say:
Personally I think themexi judges most people by their race/culture/ethnicity & he's basically begging us (and himself) to think otherwise in order to validate his questionable (I think flawed) logic.
The only thing as clear as my statements are yours: You Can't separate race from culture no matter how gently the facts are spoonfed to you. So who's the racist here exactly?????
Every other cultural & racial group in history has been oppressed, abused & enslaved. Everyone else got over it INCLUDING black people that reject this so called "culture"Who broke it?
To hell with fixing it. ABANDON it entirely.Who should be responsible for fixing it?
Part of what I despise about this "culture" is that handouts seem to be the only solution it can demand, it is INviable, & totally deserving of being demeaned because it is demeaning to anyone of any race that follows it. For a solution see one comment above.Not looking for handouts, just an agreed upon, viable, and non-demeaning solution.
Yes it is failed. The term is not only accurate but if it is also demeaning then GOOD. It fits this "culture" all the more for it.It's not 'failed' (and that term is demeaning)
It's compromised because it is incompatible with the reslt of the REAL cultures in N America. Fault's got nothing to do with it except that anyone who chooses to practice this failed "culture" with all the infinitely superior examples of culture around it are at fault for whatever shit it brings into their life by not abandoning it utterly.but one that has always been in a compromised position in North America through little fault of its own.
All I speak of is today. Historically speaking, this culture was never viable & never will be & as soon as it is abandoned the better. The best way a cooperative solution can be reached is that anyone of any race who follows this "culture" can cooperate with the productive members of their society by acting like the humans they were born to be.Say what you want about today, but to deny the full historical impact is not going to promote a co-operative solution.
Quick! Call Frankcastle and get my meds. fuji and I are bridging a gap.
An obvious difference is that Jews, Irish, Italians, Russians, Ukrainians, and Portuguese are or can pass for White. Their physical traits "blend in" with the majority so to speak.I hear you but "forced" can be defined more liberally. Many Jews arrived in Canada because they were "forced" out of Russia. Same for many Irish and so on. Using a slightly different example, the first Rockslingers arrived in Australia (a country very similar to Canada) on prison ships and yet they carved out a good life for themselves in their new homeland.
When I lived in Montreal, I spent a brief period living in the St. Urbain Street "Jewish Ghetto" except there were very few Jews still living there because they all moved to Westmount or Hampstead. When I use to visit NYC, I spent a bit of time touring the Lower East Side "Jewish Ghetto" except there were very few Jews still living there because they all moved to Westchester or L.A. ("L.A. is fine and the sun shines most of the time but I'm New York born and raised" Neil Diamond).
Almost (but not all) every ethnic group has had to carve out a life for themselves and each succeeding generation has done better than the past.
Who cares? Maybe history professors? The rest of us care about there here and now.Who broke it?
My view is people should fix their own problems. Since blacks have a problem with their culture, they should fix it. If the rest of us have to fix it for them, it isn't going to be nearly as nice a solution. The rest of us might find that the most effective approach is racial profiling. Blacks would probably be best served by solving this one themselves. Unfortunately the black community, at least its public voice, appears dead set on blaming all its problems on others and looking to others for solutions. It's such a prevalent line that every black child has a sure fire excuse for failing at life--they can point to all the black community rhetoric, and say, "it's OK I failed, I'm black". Truly a multi-generation epic fail of a culture.Who should be responsible for fixing it?
It's a failed culture, there is no other way to describe a violence loving culture that produces almost all the violence. Failed is the right word. Fathers who don't raise their children, kids who convince each other to drop out of school, role models who espouse dressing like hoodlums and sing about committing crime and violence. It's a complete and total epic fail of a culture.It's not 'failed' (and that term is demeaning) but one that has always been in a compromised position in North America through little fault of its own.
