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Shooting at a Florida high school

apoptygma

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This is all about what WILL happen and the sucker's game that's being played. Machine guns are already banned. So a ban on bump stocks will be made and that's it. An opportunity to make real change may be missed because one side wants to take away something and the other side is playing them for suckers - because they are. Prediction: Bump stock ban, no other material changes and everybody fools themselves into believing something was achieved. And the NRA laugh because they've won another round of a game they've been playing for years against an opponent who ALWAYS USES THE SAME STRATEGY.
This just in... the NRA is opposed to an outright ban on bump stocks, but is open to 'restrictions'.
Translation: nothing will change.
 

basketcase

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The NRA apparently spent 90 million dollars lobbying US politicians. That may seem a lot,....
For an allegedly grass roots organization with that small a membership it is a pretty big budget.

The other 96 million aren't members for a reason and a good chunk of them support reasonable gun legislation.
 

basketcase

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One of the major, valid concerns about "universal background checks" is with regards to how to implement one without a national registry or database....
I know you worry that if the government knows who owns guns they will be bashing down your door but the current registration system of hand written receipts in mouldy boxes is an absolute joke.
 

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More American Sociopathy

Authorities say they've thwarted a plot by a student to commit a mass shooting at a Southern California high school just two days after 17 people were gunned down at a Florida high school, according to The Associated Press.

The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department said on Tuesday that a security guard at El Camino High School in Whittier overheard a "disgruntled student" threaten to open fire on the school on Friday. Sheriff's spokeswoman Nicole Nishida tells The Associated Press that the investigation resulted in finding "multiple guns and ammunition" after searching the student's home. The student is currently in custody.

https://sputniknews.com/us/201802211061872407-california-school-shooting-sabotaged/
 

apoptygma

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More American Sociopathy

Authorities say they've thwarted a plot by a student to commit a mass shooting at a Southern California high school just two days after 17 people were gunned down at a Florida high school, according to The Associated Press.

The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department said on Tuesday that a security guard at El Camino High School in Whittier overheard a "disgruntled student" threaten to open fire on the school on Friday. Sheriff's spokeswoman Nicole Nishida tells The Associated Press that the investigation resulted in finding "multiple guns and ammunition" after searching the student's home. The student is currently in custody.

https://sputniknews.com/us/201802211061872407-california-school-shooting-sabotaged/
LOL... sputnik news...
 

apoptygma

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attacking the source is not an argument local L.A media reported the same story
Actually, the course is a very legitimate target.
Many outlets can report the same event, with very different results.
Some people are too dense to understand that.
 

shack

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Then bring a horse to trade.
The trade is that children will not be killed at schools and concert goers will not be gunned down from a hotel window.

This is not a business deal. This is trying to ensure the safety and welfare of citizens. It is their right.

Did the government have to trade something to limit tobacco advertising and packaging? What did the government give pharmacies when they were told that they were no longer allowed to sell cigarettes?
 

shack

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oh, I'm pessimistic too - but mainly because of the strategy of the anti-gun lobby to ask for concessions without offering anything. So the status quo reigns supreme. I'm just saying the only way to get any sort of progress is for both sides to give up something. I think the anti-gun should give up any talk of gun bans (useless anyway) and the pro-gun lobby should accept National minimum standards for licensing, background checks (with no exceptions) and where guns can be sold. But I'm not optimistic this will happen.
Again, I disagree with this whole negotiation thing. It is the duty of the government to ensure the safety of their people more than it is to protect a particular industry. A respectable, honest government would take the bull by the horns, tell the gun lobby that this is how it is going to be and then pass the legislation to lock it in.

The trade is that children will not be killed at schools and concert goers will not be gunned down from a hotel window.

This is not a business deal. This is trying to ensure the safety and welfare of citizens. It is their right.

Did the government have to trade something to limit tobacco advertising and packaging? What did the government give pharmacies when they were told that they were no longer allowed to sell cigarettes?
 

wilbur

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Exactly, the NRA spends very little, compared to other special interests, but what they do have is politically active membership that's able to exert pressure on the Congressional districts and I don't see that changing anytime soon. The legislative can impose certain limits, but, because of the Constitutional considerations, any overreach is bound to be defeated in the Supreme Court and Congressional elections. Especially with the Republicans holding the White House, for the foreseeable future, the make up of the Court is unlikely to change.
Except for New England and California, the legislative cannot impose any restrictions that will annoy firearms owners. Otherwise, they will get turfed out of office. Democrats know this.
 

wilbur

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American security agencies from local police to the CIA already have and use such databases all the time. Without the kind of checks and balances you say are necessary. Have you heard of the No Fly List? Most Americans approve of them and their use.

Although many made objections on specific points, lots of them the same as yours, sensible people recognized there could be away to balance non-interference and public safety. The point is to solve those issues to get a needed job done, not use them as weapons to ensure nothing's done at all.
And many point out that the CIA knowing all about its citizens is unconstitutional, and a presage to a police state.

Mind you, people are actually willingly revealing their information to the US government, as they spill everything on facebook. Don't think that the US spooks don't have a backdoor to facebook?
 

shack

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essguy_

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Totally insane. Who's going to protect the students when a teacher goes postal? I guess the solution for that will be to arm the students...
 

cunning linguist

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The trade is that children will not be killed at schools and concert goers will not be gunned down from a hotel window.

This is not a business deal. This is trying to ensure the safety and welfare of citizens. It is their right.

Did the government have to trade something to limit tobacco advertising and packaging? What did the government give pharmacies when they were told that they were no longer allowed to sell cigarettes?
This is a deal if you want to hope for any progress. If the pot isn't any sweeter than, "on the bright side, you get to keep what we haven't yet taken...for now" then don't be surprised if the response is no. Like it or not, you're the just the vocal minority; most Americans like, own and use their firearms responsibly.
 
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