Shapiro

[busterhut]

Apparently this guy has a lot of nerve choosing to pronounce his name in a way different than people on thiis board would like.
Seriously, isn't it HIS or his family's right and prerogative to pronounce his name whatever way he wants without people making fun of him? Can there be credibility for any thread that makes fun of the pronunciation of someone's name?

 

[raptorizedguy]

Apparently this guy has a lot of nerve choosing to pronounce his name in a way different than people on thiis board would like. Seriously, isn't it HIS or his family's right and prerogative to pronounce his name whatever way he wants without people making fun of him? Can there be credibility for any thread that makes fun of the pronunciation of someone's name?

Just Call him Mark .... Heck if he hires a GM then we will hear from him as many times as we heard from Beston which is hardly never .... How many times doesn Shanny talk ?

 

[Perry Mason]

Apparently this guy has a lot of nerve choosing to pronounce his name in a way different than people on thiis board would like.
Seriously, isn't it HIS or his family's right and prerogative to pronounce his name whatever way he wants without people making fun of him? Can there be credibility for any thread that makes fun of the pronunciation of someone's name?

The crux of the matter is this:

I am Jewish and so is he.

He or his family changed the pronunciation of his name to hide the fact that he is Jewish.

As a Jew, I object. It may some times be inconvenient or even dangerous to be seen as a Jew but, from the communal standpoint, it is dishonorable to hide it.

He may have a "right" to pronunciate it any way he wants and I have an equal "right" to make fun of it.

Perry

 

[Insidious Von]

Why the bother?

At least Mark Shapiro didn't go the Bernie Schwartz route, who's better known as Tony Curtis.

And everyone assumes the Warner Brothers were Irish, wrong. They were Jewish, they were Albert (Aaron), Harry (Hirsz), Sam (Szmul) and Jack (Yitzhak) Wonskolaser. Good luck selling movies as the Wonskolaser Bros.

Italo-Jewish relations...at the risk of offending Perry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kesDW0ftI74

 

[eguapo]

The crux of the matter is this:

I am Jewish and so is he.

He or his family changed the pronunciation of his name to hide the fact that he is Jewish.

As a Jew, I object. It may some times be inconvenient or even dangerous to be seen as a Jew but, from the communal standpoint, it is dishonorable to hide it.

He may have a "right" to pronunciate it any way he wants and I have an equal "right" to make fun of it.

Perry

This reminds me of a classic early Seinfeld, the one where George first pretends to be an architect and Jerry is lobby stalking a woman he had previously met at her office building. At the end of the episode Jerry is introducing a relative to Elaine.

copied from the script of the episode;

Jerry: Oh, I'm sorry. Elaine, this is my cousin Artie Levine.

(As in Liveen.)

Artie: Le*vine*.

(As in Levyne) He leaves with Carol.

Jerry: Yeah, "Le*vine*". And I'm Jerry Cougar Mellencamp...

 

[radagast]

Spelled "Raymond Luxury Yacht", but pronounced "Throat Warbler Mangrove".

 

[BottomsUp]

The crux of the matter is this:

I am Jewish and so is he.

He or his family changed the pronunciation of his name to hide the fact that he is Jewish.

As a Jew, I object. It may some times be inconvenient or even dangerous to be seen as a Jew but, from the communal standpoint, it is dishonorable to hide it.

He may have a "right" to pronunciate it any way he wants and I have an equal "right" to make fun of it.

Perry

If this in fact is a coverup, it was done pretty poorly. If someone reads the name without hearing it first, they would assume it was pronounced the traditional way until they heard someone else say it, at which point there may be a disagreement about who is right. I really don't think they're fooling anyone about their background.

 

[james t kirk]

Why the bother?

At least Mark Shapiro didn't go the Bernie Schwartz route, who's better known as Tony Curtis.

And everyone assumes the Warner Brothers were Irish, wrong. They were Jewish, they were Albert (Aaron), Harry (Hirsz), Sam (Szmul) and Jack (Yitzhak) Wonskolaser. Good luck selling movies as the Wonskolaser Bros.

Italo-Jewish relations...at the risk of offending Perry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kesDW0ftI74

One of my favourite Soprano scenes. Sad seeing the late great James Gandolfini.

"And the Romans, where are they now?"

"You're looking at 'em asshole"

Love it.

 

[Insidious Von]

The late great James Gandolfini knew what he was talking about, he was pure Roman stock. His family lineage goes back to the Renaissance and possibly beyond. The Gandolfos ruled Rome in much the same way that the Medici ruled Florence. The Pope still makes his summer home at the Castel Gandolfo.

As for Italo-Jewish relations, Paulie Walnuts explains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHpPOs6RCo4

 

[ToothpickVic]

The crux of the matter is this:

I am Jewish and so is he.

He or his family changed the pronunciation of his name to hide the fact that he is Jewish.

As a Jew, I object. It may some times be inconvenient or even dangerous to be seen as a Jew but, from the communal standpoint, it is dishonorable to hide it.

He may have a "right" to pronunciate it any way he wants and I have an equal "right" to make fun of it.

Perry

I think you're reading way too much into it. He goes by the pronunciation to avoid connection with his father, sports agent Robert Shapiro (pronounced Sha-pee-ro). I personally find it a lame waste of time but I don't believe it to be some sinister act to hide from being Jewish, especially when he works in an industry with a very significant portion being Jewish.

No one is hearing Mark Shap-eye-ro and assuming he's Italian or other ethnicity or faith. You don't have to Jewish or an anti-semite to know he is Jewish.

 

[tml]

George Carlin:"You could spell your name S-M-I-T-H but pronounce it Dzinowski".

 

[Perry Mason]

I think you're reading way too much into it. He goes by the pronunciation to avoid connection with his father, sports agent Robert Shapiro (pronounced Sha-pee-ro).

If you were Jewish (for all I know maybe you are?) you would know that disassociating yourself from your family and father -- for whatever reason -- is a much worse "offense" than hiding the fact of being Jewish...

If you understand the 5th -- commandment, not amendment -- it might become very clear for you!

I see, btw, that Rosie DiManno at The Star is also mocking Shapro...

[Hey! "" looks like a kind of suggestively sexy icon!!! Either that or I am a pervert of some kind... ]

Perry

 

[K Douglas]

With all due respect to the OP I just have to say, really? Why do we even care how someone pronounces their name? There are so many other issues to discuss - like why the fuck did we bring J.A. Happ back!?

 

[jcpro]

If you were Jewish (for all I know maybe you are?) you would know that disassociating yourself from your family and father -- for whatever reason -- is a much worse "offense" than hiding the fact of being Jewish...

If you understand the 5th -- commandment, not amendment -- it might become very clear for you!

I see, btw, that Rosie DiManno at The Star is also mocking Shapro...

[Hey! "" looks like a kind of suggestively sexy icon!!! Either that or I am a pervert of some kind... ]

Perry

In the old days, in the shtetels, they used to say "The worst bird is the one who shits in its own nest".

 

[ToothpickVic]

If you were Jewish (for all I know maybe you are?) you would know that disassociating yourself from your family and father -- for whatever reason -- is a much worse "offense" than hiding the fact of being Jewish...

If you understand the 5th -- commandment, not amendment -- it might become very clear for you!

I am not Jewish myself but couldn't agree more that disassociating yourself from your family is unacceptable. That I do not argue with. My point is that he isn't trying to fool anyone into thinking he isn't Jewish.

With all due respect to the OP I just have to say, really? Why do we even care how someone pronounces their name?

At the end of the day, this is absolutely bang-on. Mark Shapiro could call himself Nancy Bubbles for all I care. Just build a winner!

I see, btw, that Rosie DiManno at The Star is also mocking Shapro...

I find the media's reaction to him, DiManno's bush league mocking included, to be nauseating. They loved AA, he was good with the media, I get it. But what offense has Shapiro committed? He was hired to come in and run the team as president and defacto GM. He was given the power to run the team as he wished. That Mr. Popular AA couldn't work within that structure is understandable but it is not Shapiro's fault.

I expect emotional fans to lose sight of this but the media is supposed to at least pretend to be objective.

 

[shack]

But what offense has Shapiro committed? He was hired to come in and run the team as president and defacto GM. He was given the power to run the team as he wished. That Mr. Popular AA couldn't work within that structure is understandable but it is not Shapiro's fault.

AA proved himself and gave the whole city a huge emotional burst this year. He was clearly the leader and creator of the Jays resurgence. The players loved him as well.

If Shapero was a real leader, he would have had no problem relinquishing some of the autonomy he seems to crave to AA. AA had more success as a GM than Shapero had. AA was building a juggernaut and he deserved more than what Shapero was offering. I think Shapero felt threatened.

The loss of AA, the face of the franchise, was indeed Shapero's fault.

 

[ToothpickVic]

AA proved himself and gave the whole city a huge emotional burst this year. He was clearly the leader and creator of the Jays resurgence. The players loved him as well.

If Shapero was a real leader, he would have had no problem relinquishing some of the autonomy he seems to crave to AA. AA had more success as a GM than Shapero had. AA was building a juggernaut and he deserved more than what Shapero was offering. I think Shapero felt threatened.

The loss of AA, the face of the franchise, was indeed Shapero's fault.

And David Price could have signed with the Jays for $15 million a year because that is more money than he will ever need.

It's a nice thought but just as preposterously unrealistic.

Blame Rogers for creating this mess, not Shapiro who is doing the job he was hired to do.

 

[raptorizedguy]

And David Price could have signed with the Jays for $15 million a year because that is more money than he will ever need.

It's a nice thought but just as preposterously unrealistic.

Blame Rogers for creating this mess, not Shapiro who is doing the job he was hired to do.

Yes blame Rogers ... When he was hired there was a Farm system stocked and had a GM who wasn't signed beyond this year .. Why Rogers allowed AA to do what he did is beyond me ... It shows how little Rogers paid attention to the baseball opportunities ... It seems like AA and Paul knew they weren't coming back and they were racking up the visa before they left to have a big party ..

 

[shack]

Blame Rogers for creating this mess,

Definitely enough blame to go around for how this city went from a feeling of elation to one of remorse.

 

[shack]

Yes blame Rogers ... When he was hired there was a Farm system stocked .. Why Rogers allowed AA to do what he did is beyond me ..

I had no doubt that with the scouting and development systems AA had created, the farm would have been restocked in approx. 3 years. It's a renewable resource. And the major league team would probably have stayed competitive in that time.