Shapiro

[bluecolt]

Why the bother?

At least Mark Shapiro didn't go the Bernie Schwartz route, who's better known as Tony Curtis.

And everyone assumes the Warner Brothers were Irish, wrong. They were Jewish, they were Albert (Aaron), Harry (Hirsz), Sam (Szmul) and Jack (Yitzhak) Wonskolaser. Good luck selling movies as the Wonskolaser Bros.

Italo-Jewish relations...at the risk of offending Perry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kesDW0ftI74

I think everybody in the world knew that the Warner Brothers were Jewish, as well as the other moguls of early Hollywood, namely Sam Goldwyn and Louis B Mayer (a Canadian) of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Adolf Zukor of Paramount Pictures, Harry Cohn of Columbia Pictures, William Fox of Twentieth-Century Fox and Carl Laemmle of Universal Pictures. This line of Jewish domination of Hollywood has continued unbroken to today's Jeffrey Katzenberg and David Geffen of Dreamworks, and Michael Eisner, late of Disney.

Why in the world would one think that they were Irish?

 

[raptorizedguy]

I had no doubt that with the scouting and development systems AA had created, the farm would have been restocked in approx. 3 years. It's a renewable resource. And the major league team would probably have stayed competitive in that time.

Shouldn't selling the farm and having to take 3 years to replenish it be the decision in the hands of Shapiro and not a GM who has already decided he isn't coming back ... How is any different then if Dave Nonis who may think his days are numbered decided to trade 3 first round draft pics just to get a chance at the 8th spot ?

 

[Dawgger]

Shouldn't selling the farm and having to take 3 years to replenish it be the decision in the hands of Shapiro and not a GM who has already decided he isn't coming back ... How is any different then if Dave Nonis who may think his days are numbered decided to trade 3 first round draft pics just to get a chance at the 8th spot ?

IMO the current Blue Jays roster, with a couple of tweaks, is at worst, a contender. AA made the moves that gave the team that foundation. Yes, he traded away prospects, some of which will succeed and some won't. If the current management keep the bulk of the team in place they will be competitive for next few years while they restock the farm. Now looking at this management track record in Cleveland, are they capable of doing that? One of my concerns is they will want to put their "mark" on the team and thus break the core group up.

 

[raptorizedguy]

IMO the current Blue Jays roster, with a couple of tweaks, is at worst, a contender. AA made the moves that gave the team that foundation. Yes, he traded away prospects, some of which will succeed and some won't. If the current management keep the bulk of the team in place they will be competitive for next few years while they restock the farm. Now looking at this management track record in Cleveland, are they capable of doing that? One of my concerns is they will want to put their "mark" on the team and thus break the core group up.

On the position players side you are so right but on the pitching side it scares me if one pitcher goes down all that money spent on this roster may just go to waste ... Lets hope Hutch has a come back season ... Those couple of tweaks your talking about will have to be done by a GM who is creative ( cause with price of middle relief is crazy this summer ) and since AA is gone I don't know how creative this new President / GM combo are ...

 

[Dawgger]

On the position players side you are so right but on the pitching side it scares me if one pitcher goes down all that money spent on this roster may just go to waste ... Lets hope Hutch has a come back season ... Those couple of tweaks your talking about will have to be done by a GM who is creative ( cause with price of middle relief is crazy this summer ) and since AA is gone I don't know how creative this new President / GM combo are ...

Pitching is one of the places that tweaks are needed, especially the pen! Supposedly they have 4 reliable starters, and can choose the fifth from Hutch, Chavez, and Sanchez. Gibby has said he wants a utility that can play short, I thought that was Goins. Catcher IMO needs an upgrade at the back up position.
The outfield should be set and they should have a fielder or two to trade for relievers. I hope they trade Saunders and not Revere.
If they don't trade away the heart of the team(for prospects), this team could/should be good to go for 2 or 3 more years without a lot of major moves. To date I have not seen much that gives me confidence that this management team will build a winning program.

 

[ToothpickVic]

Shouldn't selling the farm and having to take 3 years to replenish it be the decision in the hands of Shapiro and not a GM who has already decided he isn't coming back ... How is any different then if Dave Nonis who may think his days are numbered decided to trade 3 first round draft pics just to get a chance at the 8th spot ?

Generally speaking I agree with you but you can't cut off your GM at the knees. AA had to get all big deals cleared by Beeston and he had to go to the board. If AA tried to pull off something like that, then the onus is on upper management to stop it and fire him immediately for pulling that shit.

Not to mention it would have been career suicide for AA to pull any such shenanigans.

But I think the crucial thing fans seem to be missing is that 9 times out of 10 (if not longer odds) the deals AA pulled do not work out. The team was so far back and bringing this many different players into new environment almost never gels so quickly and goes on an unsustainable run the way the Jays did.

The vast majority of times we would have watched them come up short and fans and media would be roasting AA for selling the farm for a rental in Price and a beat-up, overpaid shortstop who did nothing. No one (including AA) knew Stroman would return so soon and be so incredible when he did.

AA deserves all the credit for how it turned out but it was also lightning in a bottle.

 

[raptorizedguy]

Generally speaking I agree with you but you can't cut off your GM at the knees. AA had to get all big deals cleared by Beeston and he had to go to the board. If AA tried to pull off something like that, then the onus is on upper management to stop it and fire him immediately for pulling that shit.

Not to mention it would have been career suicide for AA to pull any such shenanigans.

But I think the crucial thing fans seem to be missing is that 9 times out of 10 (if not longer odds) the deals AA pulled do not work out. The team was so far back and bringing this many different players into new environment almost never gels so quickly and goes on an unsustainable run the way the Jays did.

The vast majority of times we would have watched them come up short and fans and media would be roasting AA for selling the farm for a rental in Price and a beat-up, overpaid shortstop who did nothing. No one (including AA) knew Stroman would return so soon and be so incredible when he did.

AA deserves all the credit for how it turned out but it was also lightning in a bottle.

He would have had to go to the board if they need money they don't go to board to request trades ... I think that should have been the case though ...

Don't get me wrong AA deserves credit for what he did but you don't give the keys to the GM ( keys as in trading 11 pitching prospects ) when he isn't going to be back next year ... AA being interim GM at the trading deadline should have not had the ability to what he did at the trading deadline is all I am saying ..

 

[raptorizedguy]

Blue Jays to sign Darwin Barney to one-year major league deal

A lot of moves this year are players who the Jays are familiar with ... I am starting to think the real GM is Tony LaCava this off season still and the new GM ( the one they just hired ) only got the title cause you couldn't have got the guy if you were giving him a lateral position in your organization ..

 

[Dawgger]

Blue Jays to sign Darwin Barney to one-year major league deal

A lot of moves this year are players who the Jays are familiar with ... I am starting to think the real GM is Tony LaCava this off season still and the new GM ( the one they just hired ) only got the title cause you couldn't have got the guy if you were giving him a lateral position in your organization ..

Done..... signed 1 year at a million 5 thousand,(believe that is what I saw) surprised they didn't sign him to a minor league contract with an invite. Not exactly an earth shattering signing! Actually it is ($1,050,000.)

 

[GPIDEAL]

The late great James Gandolfini knew what he was talking about, he was pure Roman stock. His family lineage goes back to the Renaissance and possibly beyond. The Gandolfos ruled Rome in much the same way that the Medici ruled Florence. The Pope still makes his summer home at the Castel Gandolfo.

As for Italo-Jewish relations, Paulie Walnuts explains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHpPOs6RCo4

Lol.

Great fucking scene.

Hey my dad thought he was descendant of Caesar too.

 

[jcpro]

He would have had to go to the board if they need money they don't go to board to request trades ... I think that should have been the case though ...

Don't get me wrong AA deserves credit for what he did but you don't give the keys to the GM ( keys as in trading 11 pitching prospects ) when he isn't going to be back next year ... AA being interim GM at the trading deadline should have not had the ability to what he did at the trading deadline is all I am saying ..

But he did. And turned a mediocre ball club on the way to another mediocre finish into a serious contender. Shapiro's job is to build on that. They have offense and defense. He needs pitching. Rogers is getting killed with the hockey ratings; a great baseball team sells in Toronto and across the country-pretty obvious. If Shapiro fails to convince Rogers to spend more, fans will know that the initial apprehensions about hiring him were justified. And not even making an offer to Price. Oh yeah, and will be back to the empty stadium days right quick.

 

[shack]

Shapeero once again eating away at the enthusiasm of Jays' fans toward the experience of enjoying our team. He is a total killjoy and has no idea or doesn't care what the fans think.

I think he also has no idea of reality when he says no players/free agents say the turf has any impact on them playing here.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2015/12/17/turf-wars-heating-up-with-blue-jays-griffin.html