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In another thread, escort got beat up in “random assault”, not surprised if escort did not reject someone in some classy manner. It’s not personal, sure. If it’s not personal, why single that person out LOL.

The provider in the thread in question is the kind of provider that goes out of her way to try to establish a rapport, and connection, with her clients. I've only seen her the once, and I've communicated with her a bit, mostly while trying to re-book. She strikes me as a very nice person. It's unlikely that she rudely told someone to pound sand, at least without a great deal of provocation. Even if she did (and it:s not fair to wildly speculate) there is no world in which she deserved that.

 

[SexB]

The creep would have the lady’s address already. How else would he know where to try to see her? And, I think that the courts would protect that information from the perpetrator, anyway, for protection purposes.

Years back, there was a thread where a member boasted about tailgating into an apartment where a retired lady he used to see lived, made her way up to her apartment and knocked on her door.

I truly hope the lady in question saw that and shared his name on blacklists.

Similar to what @Josephine mentioned, there was a member on another board who also boasted about not making it past a provider's screening and finding a way around it. I remember reading his other drivel and you'd be excused for thinking that he was a troll who was parodying the stereotype of an entitled "board bro slobbyist" but satire requires self-awareness and "incels" like this individual have none.

All I can say to that and other times that clients pull shit like that is be a man about it! Except the rejection and move on.

 

[EJunkie]

Years back, there was a thread where a member boasted about tailgating into an apartment where a retired lady he used to see lived, made her way up to her apartment and knocked on her door.

I truly hope the lady in question saw that and shared his name on blacklists.

Similar to what @Josephine mentioned, there was a member on another board who also boasted about not making it past a provider's screening and finding a way around it. I remember reading his other drivel and you'd be excused for thinking that he was a troll who was parodying the stereotype of an entitled "board bro slobbyist" but satire requires self-awareness and "incels" like this individual have none.

All I can say to that and other times that clients pull shit like that is be a man about it! Except the rejection and move on.

Anyone who would behave like that isn’t capable of behaving like a man in the sense I think you mean it.

 

[SexB]

Anyone who would behave like that isn’t capable of behaving like a man in the sense I think you mean it.

If you believe this jackass, he has great stamina.

I'm guessing it's really a minute, or less, of awkward jackhammering followed by him sheepishly muttering, "That normally doesn't happen to me ..."

The other thing about him was that it was almost like he seemed to resent going to see escorts and it was like they disgusted him. I always say that "incels" shouldn't go to see providers and that asshole epitomized why.

He was also a predator who exclusively targeted young, new to the industry ladies and survival sex workers.

Just to add to this, you just know that he probably considered himself to be a "alpha male". I'd love to ask him if he told his distant father about his exploits with escorts and if that finally won his love and approval and if he stopped considering him to be a bitter disappointment.

What made his bullshit even worse was that there was a pick-me provider who immediately dropped to her hands and knees and started licking his boots when he posted his drivel.

 

[JohnAMacdongnot]

The provider in the thread in question is the kind of provider that goes out of her way to try to establish a rapport, and connection, with her clients. I've only seen her the once, and I've communicated with her a bit, mostly while trying to re-book. She strikes me as a very nice person. It's unlikely that she rudely told someone to pound sand, at least without a great deal of provocation. Even if she did (and it:s not fair to wildly speculate) there is no world in which she deserved that.

My point is things happen for a reason. Nothing is random. I did not say that's the reason that particular lady got beat up, I did not say she deserved that either.

Not saying there aren't clients that aren't assholes / creeps, in fact, there are plenty out there, but from my experience, some escorts have zero people skills and blacklist people for very trivial reasons, and I can give you some real examples:

1. I met a very nice lady, and ended up doing anal with her spontaneously towards the end, no objection, no price negotiated, no price of extra service on the website and afterwards she asked for extra $80, I did not bring enough cash and give her the $20 left in my wallet, and she seemed ok with it, and I did say I'll make it up to her. Later on agency owner contacted me and accused me of short charging the lady, I said I'll bring her the money another time, and owner was like don't bother, she won't see you again. All in all, she blacklisted me for 60 bucks, when I was about to go steady with her and spend thousands on her. She only lasted another shift and then left agency altogether.

2. One lady blacklisted me because I had a bit of onion breath. I tried my best to brush and chew gum, but that breath lingered, and next time I visited she did not open the door. Lesson I learned was not to eat onion before session so I don't offend any lady.

3. One lady blacklisted me because I tried to dfk her a bit during the session, as if kissing is not part of the gfe.

4. One indie lady kicked me out because her regular wanted the spot, she asked if I could wait, I said I'm already here, then I went upstairs and she immediately made up some bullshit and kicked me out.

You know how I handle these situations these days? Ask the agency owner to apologize on my behalf for whatever offence I caused the lady, and then move on. I'm a gentleman.

I enjoy pretty ladies, but seriously if I see a thread saying "it's my body, I do whatever I want, I know the law" it makes me question whether you truly treat everyone fair and kind, how is it "rape by deception" when you did not even open the door? Where's the penetration?

 

[kherg007]

I might be wrong tho....

Often the order says they can't be within x meters of the individual, or their residence...which of course means...

 

[KittyCaterina]

This is an important topic and I'm glad Josephine brought it to the attention of members.

I have had a few experiences regarding this topic, including a blacklisted client booking a duo. I had never met him, he was blocked due to cancelation 20 minutes prior and a no show.
He used a different number and booked through my Kingston duo partner.
I had only found out when he texted me from an app and told me that since I had seen him during the duo, I should give him another chance to see me solo.

I also had a member on another board that I had told I would never see and he would threaten to book me anyways claiming you cannot blacklist or remove consent from an anonymous internet handle.

It should be simple. No means no.
No means the same thing whether we have already met, or you are anonymous to me behind a phone number or internet handle.
We don't need to meet or know each other for me to be able to say NO.

 

[shakenbake]

Would they put the agency/incall adress or your own? Nevertheless I dont think a restraining order is so efficient. He would probably just become more angry.

Violation of a restraining order is considered contempt of court and can land the creep in jail or to have to pay a hefty fine. It would cause a lot of trouble for the creep, maybe not the first time, but if a second attempt to violate the lady’s peace. Restraining orders are more powerful than you think.

 

[shakenbake]

Often the order says they can't be within x meters of the individual, or their residence...which of course means...

The perpetrator would already know where to find the lady, anyways.

 

[Josephine]

Violation of a restraining order is considered contempt of court and can land the creep in jail or to have to pay a hefty fine. It would cause a lot of trouble for the creep, maybe not the first time, but if a second attempt to violate the lady’s peace. Restraining orders are more powerful than you think.

I think I am kind of hopeless when it comes to relying on police or law for escort protection. I always feel like we will never be a priority for the system.

 

[Josephine]

My point is things happen for a reason. Nothing is random. I did not say that's the reason that particular lady got beat up, I did not say she deserved that either.

Not saying there aren't clients that aren't assholes / creeps, in fact, there are plenty out there, but from my experience, some escorts have zero people skills and blacklist people for very trivial reasons, and I can give you some real examples:

1. I met a very nice lady, and ended up doing anal with her spontaneously towards the end, no objection, no price negotiated, no price of extra service on the website and afterwards she asked for extra $80, I did not bring enough cash and give her the $20 left in my wallet, and she seemed ok with it, and I did say I'll make it up to her. Later on agency owner contacted me and accused me of short charging the lady, I said I'll bring her the money another time, and owner was like don't bother, she won't see you again. All in all, she blacklisted me for 60 bucks, when I was about to go steady with her and spend thousands on her. She only lasted another shift and then left agency altogether.

2. One lady blacklisted me because I had a bit of onion breath. I tried my best to brush and ate gum, but that breath lingered, and next time I visited she did not open the door. Lesson I learned was not to eat onion before session so I don't offend any lady.

3. One lady blacklisted me because I tried to dfk her a bit during the session, as if kissing is not part of the gfe.

4. One indie lady kicked me out because her regular wanted the spot, she asked if I could wait, I said I'm already here, then I went upstairs and she immediately made up some bullshit and kicked me out.

You know how I handle these situations these days? Ask the agency owner to apologize on my behalf for whatever offence I caused the lady, and then move on. I'm a gentleman.

I enjoy pretty ladies, but seriously if I see a thread saying "it's my body, I do whatever I want, I know the law" it makes me question whether you truly treat everyone fair and kind, how is it "rape by deception" when you did not even open the door? Where's the penetration?

You are absolutely right on that part of your last paragraph where you doubt me. Do not see me. I am a ragefull bitch that will show you the worst time of your life. I have seven toes on my left foot and my little fingers are missing in both hands. Terrible in bed too.

Actually, we are all like that. Just stay away. Your right hand is free and reliable.

Next!

 

[Daddy2021]

My point is things happen for a reason. Nothing is random. I did not say that's the reason that particular lady got beat up, I did not say she deserved that either.

Not saying there aren't clients that aren't assholes / creeps, in fact, there are plenty out there, but from my experience, some escorts have zero people skills and blacklist people for very trivial reasons, and I can give you some real examples:

1. I met a very nice lady, and ended up doing anal with her spontaneously towards the end, no objection, no price negotiated, no price of extra service on the website and afterwards she asked for extra $80, I did not bring enough cash and give her the $20 left in my wallet, and she seemed ok with it, and I did say I'll make it up to her. Later on agency owner contacted me and accused me of short charging the lady, I said I'll bring her the money another time, and owner was like don't bother, she won't see you again. All in all, she blacklisted me for 60 bucks, when I was about to go steady with her and spend thousands on her. She only lasted another shift and then left agency altogether.

2. One lady blacklisted me because I had a bit of onion breath. I tried my best to brush and ate gum, but that breath lingered, and next time I visited she did not open the door. Lesson I learned was not to eat onion before session so I don't offend any lady.

3. One lady blacklisted me because I tried to dfk her a bit during the session, as if kissing is not part of the gfe.

4. One indie lady kicked me out because her regular wanted the spot, she asked if I could wait, I said I'm already here, then I went upstairs and she immediately made up some bullshit and kicked me out.

You know how I handle these situations these days? Ask the agency owner to apologize on my behalf for whatever offence I caused the lady, and then move on. I'm a gentleman.

I enjoy pretty ladies, but seriously if I see a thread saying "it's my body, I do whatever I want, I know the law" it makes me question whether you truly treat everyone fair and kind, how is it "rape by deception" when you did not even open the door? Where's the penetration?

They have every right to not see you again. Just because you have money it doesn’t mean they have to see you. What you say is trivial it’s enough for them to say no thanks. Something about your posts screams cringe but I’ll leave it to the ladies to unpack this and give their opinions on this. This should be fun.

 

[shakenbake]

I think I am kind of hopeless when it comes to relying on police or law for escort protection. I always feel like we will never be a priority for the system.

Sadly, that is sometimes the case. It also depends on the particular constable.

 

[KittyCaterina]

My point is things happen for a reason. Nothing is random. I did not say that's the reason that particular lady got beat up, I did not say she deserved that either.

Not saying there aren't clients that aren't assholes / creeps, in fact, there are plenty out there, but from my experience, some escorts have zero people skills and blacklist people for very trivial reasons, and I can give you some real examples:

1. I met a very nice lady, and ended up doing anal with her spontaneously towards the end, no objection, no price negotiated, no price of extra service on the website and afterwards she asked for extra $80, I did not bring enough cash and give her the $20 left in my wallet, and she seemed ok with it, and I did say I'll make it up to her. Later on agency owner contacted me and accused me of short charging the lady, I said I'll bring her the money another time, and owner was like don't bother, she won't see you again. All in all, she blacklisted me for 60 bucks, when I was about to go steady with her and spend thousands on her. She only lasted another shift and then left agency altogether.

2. One lady blacklisted me because I had a bit of onion breath. I tried my best to brush and ate gum, but that breath lingered, and next time I visited she did not open the door. Lesson I learned was not to eat onion before session so I don't offend any lady.

3. One lady blacklisted me because I tried to dfk her a bit during the session, as if kissing is not part of the gfe.

4. One indie lady kicked me out because her regular wanted the spot, she asked if I could wait, I said I'm already here, then I went upstairs and she immediately made up some bullshit and kicked me out.

You know how I handle these situations these days? Ask the agency owner to apologize on my behalf for whatever offence I caused the lady, and then move on. I'm a gentleman.

I enjoy pretty ladies, but seriously if I see a thread saying "it's my body, I do whatever I want, I know the law" it makes me question whether you truly treat everyone fair and kind, how is it "rape by deception" when you did not even open the door? Where's the penetration?

Most clients have not been blacklisted multiple times by different SWs.

Maybe it is a you thing?

Not an us thing?

Also, attempting to rape someone is a crime, even if you didn't succeed.
So your no penetration comment is a huge red flag.

 

[Josephine]

They have every right to not see you again. Just because you have money it doesn’t mean they have to see you. What you say is trivial it’s enough for them to say no thanks. Something about your posts screams cringe but I’ll leave it to the ladies to unpack this and give their opinions on this. This should be fun.

There are back channels of guys like this on Terb, reddit or any board whatsoever. I wouldn't suggest any ladies to front these type of people. They can gang up, come see you and give you a hard time or attack you in your reviews. The sad world of fragile ego. Silence is better than escalation for us.

 

[Daddy2021]

There are back channels of guys like this on Terb, reddit or any board whatsoever. I wouldn't suggest any ladies to front these type of people. They can gang up, come see you and give you a hard time or attack you in your reviews. The sad world of fragile ego. Silence is better than escalation for us.

I can understand that. That’s terrible.

 

[iceberglemon]

My point is things happen for a reason. Nothing is random. I did not say that's the reason that particular lady got beat up, I did not say she deserved that either.

Not saying there aren't clients that aren't assholes / creeps, in fact, there are plenty out there, but from my experience, some escorts have zero people skills and blacklist people for very trivial reasons, and I can give you some real examples:

1. I met a very nice lady, and ended up doing anal with her spontaneously towards the end, no objection, no price negotiated, no price of extra service on the website and afterwards she asked for extra $80, I did not bring enough cash and give her the $20 left in my wallet, and she seemed ok with it, and I did say I'll make it up to her. Later on agency owner contacted me and accused me of short charging the lady, I said I'll bring her the money another time, and owner was like don't bother, she won't see you again. All in all, she blacklisted me for 60 bucks, when I was about to go steady with her and spend thousands on her. She only lasted another shift and then left agency altogether.

2. One lady blacklisted me because I had a bit of onion breath. I tried my best to brush and chew gum, but that breath lingered, and next time I visited she did not open the door. Lesson I learned was not to eat onion before session so I don't offend any lady.

3. One lady blacklisted me because I tried to dfk her a bit during the session, as if kissing is not part of the gfe.

4. One indie lady kicked me out because her regular wanted the spot, she asked if I could wait, I said I'm already here, then I went upstairs and she immediately made up some bullshit and kicked me out.

You know how I handle these situations these days? Ask the agency owner to apologize on my behalf for whatever offence I caused the lady, and then move on. I'm a gentleman.

I enjoy pretty ladies, but seriously if I see a thread saying "it's my body, I do whatever I want, I know the law" it makes me question whether you truly treat everyone fair and kind, how is it "rape by deception" when you did not even open the door? Where's the penetration?

Sorry, the fact that you have been blacklisted (at least) four times (to your knowledge) means that you have been blacklisted (at least) four times more than me (to my knowledge).

Once might be brushed off as due to a misunderstanding or incompatibility. But if you are getting blacklisted this many times, it can no longer be attributed to bad luck. There’s a pattern here and a commonality across all four situations you listed.

Yes, things happen for a reason. Are you sure you were blacklisted for the reasons you mention?

 

[OntGuy2010]

Wow- my mind can not even think in such "dark" directions! Wondering if this is more likely to happen with an independent booking than with an agency booking - seems to me this to be the case but could be easily wrong.

 

[squeezer]

My point is things happen for a reason. Nothing is random. I did not say that's the reason that particular lady got beat up, I did not say she deserved that either.

Not saying there aren't clients that aren't assholes / creeps, in fact, there are plenty out there, but from my experience, some escorts have zero people skills and blacklist people for very trivial reasons, and I can give you some real examples:

1. I met a very nice lady, and ended up doing anal with her spontaneously towards the end, no objection, no price negotiated, no price of extra service on the website and afterwards she asked for extra $80, I did not bring enough cash and give her the $20 left in my wallet, and she seemed ok with it, and I did say I'll make it up to her. Later on agency owner contacted me and accused me of short charging the lady, I said I'll bring her the money another time, and owner was like don't bother, she won't see you again. All in all, she blacklisted me for 60 bucks, when I was about to go steady with her and spend thousands on her. She only lasted another shift and then left agency altogether.

2. One lady blacklisted me because I had a bit of onion breath. I tried my best to brush and chew gum, but that breath lingered, and next time I visited she did not open the door. Lesson I learned was not to eat onion before session so I don't offend any lady.

3. One lady blacklisted me because I tried to dfk her a bit during the session, as if kissing is not part of the gfe.

4. One indie lady kicked me out because her regular wanted the spot, she asked if I could wait, I said I'm already here, then I went upstairs and she immediately made up some bullshit and kicked me out.

You know how I handle these situations these days? Ask the agency owner to apologize on my behalf for whatever offence I caused the lady, and then move on. I'm a gentleman.

I enjoy pretty ladies, but seriously if I see a thread saying "it's my body, I do whatever I want, I know the law" it makes me question whether you truly treat everyone fair and kind, how is it "rape by deception" when you did not even open the door? Where's the penetration?

Dude, this is "a you" problem. I'd find a new hobby.

 

[Valcazar]

Something about your posts screams cringe [...] .

I wouldn't say cringe is the word it screams.