Rob Ford: Robbery, Possession of Stolen Property, Intimidation

[Rockslinger]

That includes finding out what sort of land he wants to buy, where it is, what it looks like, who else uses it or benefits from it currently,

Why can't this be done in the light of day (like civilized people) instead of under the cover of darkness?

 

[Rockslinger]

If the hottie next door decides to sunbathe nude it's entirely legal to pull up a chair and watch.

I started a thread late last Summer about going to my local beach and a hottie showed up alone and stripped down to a barely there bikini. Before you could say "hottie", she was surrounded by a dozen guys. One layed his towel 3 feet from her and another layed his towel between the two of them so he was 1.5 feet from her when there was plenty of space 10, 15 or 20 yards away. Unfortunately our society has lost all respect for the privacy and personal space of other people.

 

[fuji]

Why can't this be done in the light of day (like civilized people) instead of under the cover of darkness?

It was done in daylight...

Sun doesn't set until around 8:30 this time of year and it's still light out for a good hour after that. Dale was there around 7:30. It was broad daylight at the time the reporter was there.

 

[groggy]

Why can't this be done in the light of day (like civilized people) instead of under the cover of darkness?

He's a reporter.
If a story breaks, he's got a duty to check it out.
Mayor tries to buy parkland for his kids, that's a legit story.

 

[Rockslinger]

If a story breaks, he's got a duty to check it out.

Couldn't he have gone earlier in the day or wait until morning? Where's the fire?

 

[fuji]

Couldn't he have gone earlier in the day or wait until morning? Where's the fire?

Newspapers do strive to publish today's news, rather than yesterday's. By morning it would have been too late to make the morning papers--which his story did run in. What's wrong with going to check it out an hour before sunset?

 

[Ref]

It blows my mind that people find it possible to justify Ford's behavior.

It blows my mind that people actually give a shit about this incident.

Seriously, if he was not the mayor or a member of city council this event would not make any news cast.

Folks - Ford is here for one term. He is here to be the fall guy for all that is wrong with the City of Toronto. He is the token bad guy who has to clear out the corruption, the rot, the nepotism, the unethical behavior, the abuse of funds...He is the guy that people will blame for years to come for daring to shake up the status quo and dare I say - Introduce accountability.

That said, his successor will ride in on the inevitable platform of promises to reverse the hardships of the Ford administration to the good folks of Toronto and bring back the glory days of social wealth and communal ideals.

Unfortunately they will be unable to reverse many directives due to the financial cost and common sense of doing so. It will be easier to hide their lack of promise and character by blaming their indecisive actions on Ford - This practice has been mastered by the Chretian and McGuinty governments.

This is typical politics people.

 

[fuji]

There isn't going to be much in the way of "hardships of the Ford administration" because Ford has lost control of council and can no longer implement his ideas. As for "accountability", it's hard to attach that word to a guy who has told so many lies.

 

[masterchief]

Moreover, you aren't going to be charged with criminal trespass while in a public park.... even if you believe Ford's version of events, verbatim, Dale was in a public park and not on Ford's property. What you actually should be looking up are what criminal penalties accrue to someone who blocks another person's exit from a public space, to a public space, through a public space.

Actually if we're going to toss around laws and infractions, the reporter is also breaking a city by-law in regards to commerical/professional photography in a city park without obtaining a permit/permission in advance. Let's not forget that parks are not public property but actually owned by the city and governed by municipal bylaws and permits.

Also didnt the reporter in his own words say that he yelled at the mayor to take his phone? Some crafty lawyer could claim that he offered the phone (be it under supposed duress) to Ford.

Anyways, the National Post article said it best...its 2 big babies and this is such a non-story.

 

[Rockslinger]

Actually if we're going to toss around laws and infractions, the reporter is also breaking a city by-law in regards to commerical/professional photography in a city park without obtaining a permit/permission in advance.

Aren't journalists exempt from laws that apply to common people? I asked this question about journalists walking into Wal-Mart (private property open to the public) with hidden cameras. Journalists occupy a privileged position in our society that is why we hold Dale and other journalists to a higher standard.

 

[fuji]

Actually if we're going to toss around laws and infractions, the reporter is also breaking a city by-law in regards to commerical/professional photography in a city park without obtaining a permit/permission in advance. Let's not forget that parks are not public property but actually owned by the city and governed by municipal bylaws and permits.

Good luck enforcing that in the face of a freedom of the press charter challenge.

Also didnt the reporter in his own words say that he yelled at the mayor to take his phone? Some crafty lawyer could claim that he offered the phone (be it under supposed duress) to Ford.

Nope because that happened only after Ford demanded the phone with threats.

 

[fuji]

Aren't journalists exempt from laws that apply to common people? I asked this question about journalists walking into Wal-Mart (private property open to the public) with hidden cameras. Journalists occupy a privileged position in our society that is why we hold Dale and other journalists to a higher standard.

They're not exempt but that bylaw would be found unconstitutional if enforced against a journalist doing his job. It's also a bylaw infraction rather than the criminal behavior that mugging someone is.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Ford should be charged, at the very least with assault, he even admits to the fist and the rage.
Toronto's police at their best

Assault?? do you even know the law??

There's no law against raising your fist, and there's also no law against rage. Only if Ford had threatened Dale verbally with assault can he be charged. For example: "I'm going to beat the shit out of you". Simply raising one's fist is not enough to be charged

 

[canada-man]

Crimnal Code of Canada

343. Every one commits robbery who

(a) steals, and for the purpose of extorting whatever is stolen or to prevent or overcome resistance to the stealing, uses violence or threats of violence to a person or property;
(b) steals from any person and, at the time he steals or immediately before or immediately thereafter, wounds, beats, strikes or uses any personal violence to that person;
(c) assaults any person with intent to steal from him; or
(d) steals from any person while armed with an offensive weapon or imitation thereof.

The only coward I see is Rob Thug.

white privilege is when a mayor who is elected despite being an ex convict can assault somebody and not faced criminal charges

 

[fuji]

white privilege is when a mayor who is elected despite being an ex convict can assault somebody and not faced criminal charges

What a load of bullshit. You need to get help for your anti white bigotry. It's fun to point out that we have a trailer trash mayor but the white victim is not interested in filing charges. This had nothing to do with race.

I can only imagine the utter bullshit you would spew if the identical events occurred with a non white reporter.

Seek help, you are sick.

 

[fuji]

Assault?? do you even know the law??

There's no law against raising your fist, and there's also no law against rage. Only if Ford had threatened Dale verbally with assault can he be charged. For example: "I'm going to beat the shit out of you". Simply raising one's fist is not enough to be charged

Try it with the police some time. Next time you are dealing with an officer raise your fist and make demands. See what happens!

 

[K Douglas]

First, the facts are on my side, and against yours. You can say "get lost" all you like, you will still be wrong, and I will still be right. It's pretty telling that you responded to my pointing out a couple of facts you don't like by insulting me. That's you--you don't care for facts, and when the facts are against you, you switch to insults, rather than switching your view. You start out analyzing any situation by automatically agreeing with whoever's political view you agree with, and that the facts of the situation are irrelevant to you. It's like you're a mental cripple or something, unable to process information properly.

Second, I've been critical of Ford because he is deficient, and the current situation is just yet another example of the same deficiencies that have been in evidence from the beginning of his campaign. He is belligerent. He lies. He can't get along with others. He acts like trailer trash. At the outset of his campaign I pointed out that he was a convicted drunk driver and a liar who was prone to drunken rages. Now he's behaving just exactly as you would expect that sort of person to behave.

The consistency of his deficiency is the reason for my consistent criticism.

You'd have Ford charged with 9/11 if you could fuji. Your arrogance is appalling and your tunnel vision w.r.t. Ford is laughable. Do you and Anabrandy compare notes? These are the facts:

- The Star has held a vendetta against Ford since he was a councillor. They are obsessed with catching him in a compromising position because they have lost the war for the hearts and minds.
- The Star reporter showed up unannounced at Ford's private residence at 7:30 pm (hardly broad daylight as you have claimed). The reporter was caught by the neighbour peering over Ford's fence. The neighbour then notified Ford.

Now I don't know about you but when I've had multiple death threats against me and my family I am going to be a little on edge if someone is snooping around my property in the late evening. This is bullshit amateurish behavior on behalf of the Star. They cannot accept the fact that Torontonians spoke loud and clear that they supported the Rob Ford agenda for the city of Toronto. I don't know what it is with left wingers and their absolute disdain for the democratic process when it doesn't go their way.

 

[fuji]

You'd have Ford charged with 9/11 if you could fuji. Your arrogance is appalling and your tunnel vision w.r.t. Ford is laughable.

Nope, I would not, and this just goes to show how stupid your responses to me are, and how you are incapable of processing information. You haven't read and comprehended well enough to know what my problem with Ford is, which is typical of you--not reading and comprehending well. And while I know this will piss you off a little, I'm a blunt and direct person: It is not arrogant for me to tell you that you're wrong, when you are honestly wrong.

- The Star reporter showed up unannounced at Ford's private residence at 7:30 pm (hardly broad daylight as you have claimed).

In fact 7:30 is broad daylight. The sun doesn't set until 8:30 at this time of year. You simply don't know the facts. In Toronto it is quite bright out until an hour AFTER sunset, at 7:30pm in May it's broad daylight in Toronto. Period. It's a fact, suck it up.

I agree the Star reporter showed up unannounced, but it would be a little more accurate to say he showed up at the public park besides Ford's residence. He was not on Ford's property.

I have no idea why you think he should "announce" anything to Ford, though.

The reporter was caught by the neighbour peering over Ford's fence. The neighbour then notified Ford.

Yup, and that's a very normal, ordinary thing to do. What SHOULD have happened next is Ford should have calmly wandered out to say "hello" and ask what was going on. That's what I would do. I assume that's what you would do, and what any normal person would do. Going to check out why there's an individual behind your property is normal. A neighbour calling to let you know is normal too. The reporter doing his job was also normal, and if Ford had been a normal person it would have ended with a normal conversation.

I do notice that you are trying to sidestep the actual key facts here, by diverting the conversation to a bunch of other less fact-based issues, presumably because you are uncomfortable with these facts:

1. The reporter was doing his job

2. The public has an interest in the things he was investigating

3. It was a normal time of day for reporters to work

4. It was broad daylight

5. He was fully within his rights to be where he was, doing what he's doing

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Try it with the police some time. Next time you are dealing with an officer raise your fist and make demands. See what happens!

What does this have to do with anything?? We're discussing whether Rob Ford can be charged with assault or not

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

- The Star has held a vendetta against Ford since he was a councillor. They are obsessed with catching him in a compromising position because they have lost the war for the hearts and minds.
- The Star reporter showed up unannounced at Ford's private residence at 7:30 pm (hardly broad daylight as you have claimed). The reporter was caught by the neighbour peering over Ford's fence. The neighbour then notified Ford.

Now I don't know about you but when I've had multiple death threats against me and my family I am going to be a little on edge if someone is snooping around my property in the late evening. This is bullshit amateurish behavior on behalf of the Star. They cannot accept the fact that Torontonians spoke loud and clear that they supported the Rob Ford agenda for the city of Toronto. I don't know what it is with left wingers and their absolute disdain for the democratic process when it doesn't go their way.

I agree with this 100%.

Its typical Leftie behaviour that the Star is displaying. They act like little crybabies when their man is voted out of office. Also I'm convinced this Dale reporter did all this on purpose. And to think, thats the best facade the Star could come up with