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RIP Joe Morgan

I loved Alomar but Morgan was the better player. He was the player that drove the big red machine. Could hit for power, steal bases and play d. Fantastic player.
 
maurice93 said:
Fair point on playoffs. While there is a large gap between the two based on regular season peak value, Alomar rose his play in the playoffs while Morgan’s play fell noticeably which closes the gap. Morgan’s 37 walks in 50 playoff games is the only thing that allowed him to get close to average as a playoff performer and he is still below it. WAR typically excludes playoffs, but it is something that can be calculated for the playoffs. But playoff at bats are such a small component of your career totals it won’t change the WAR much.

As for Bench vs Morgan. Bench was more early 70s dominant, and he also had some between years after 76. They have similar career worth I would say — both all time greats. But from 1972 to 1976 it was not really a contest. Morgan won 2 mvps in that 5 year period, and was 4th twice.

Between 72 and 76, Morgan had an OPS of .933 and WAR of 47.8, while bench had an OPS of .834 and WAR of 32.3. Although a gap is expected between a catcher and position player. Both great numbers, both gold glovers, but Morgan has the clear edge in his peak period.
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Great post. You obviously know your stuff.

I'll say this. Morgan was the better all around player but if I had a choice between Alomar or Morgan for World Series best of seven I think I'm taking Robbie.

He just seemed to be able to elevate his game. Maybe it was all the girls that he was entertaining at the Skydome motel.

Joe Morgan or Robinson Cano......Who do you like?

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The WAR difference is hard to ignore........

Robinson should never have left NY.......
 
Funny how Ken Griffey Sr's accomplishments with the Big Red Machine always gets overlooked. Most of the core group was there before he got called up to the big club. How many WS did the Reds win before he became an everyday player in 1974?

Willie Mays hit 52 homers in 1965, after that no one, who was the next player to join the 50 homers club.

Johnny bench is the only catcher I know that could throw out a batter from the crouching position.
 
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Shack, please stop cluttering this thread with your usual nonsense. I was responding to another member who actually knows baseball when he mentioned the 1931 Yankees.

"1931 Yankees, just as an example:

.327
.341
.267
.280
.302
.373
.318
.315

TBA: .297"
 
Shack, please stop cluttering this thread with your usual nonsense. I was responding to another member who actually knows baseball when he mentioned the 1931 Yankees.

"1931 Yankees, just as an example:

.327
.341
.267
.280
.302
.373
.318
.315

TBA: .297"
 
Insidious Von said:
Really sad news, the Big Red Machine was perhaps the best baseball team of all time - hitting wise.

Look at their batting lineup circa 1975.

Rose
Morgan
Griffey
Perez
Bench
Foster
Geronimo
Conception
Pitcher
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Some would argue the best MLB offensive team ever were the 1927 Yankees.

"The 1927 Yankees batted . 307, slugged . 489, scored 975 runs, and outscored their opponents by a record 376 runs. "

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Darts said:
Some would argue the best MLB offensive team ever were the 1927 Yankees.

"The 1927 Yankees batted . 307, slugged . 489, scored 975 runs, and outscored their opponents by a record 376 runs. "
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Joe Morgan could never make that club.
 
Great player. I loved that move with his arm just before he hit. I also really enjoyed him as an analyst on Sunday night baseball.
 
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yes, I tried that a few times while playing fast pitch, some success, some failures with it. It helped slow my swing down so I did not pull the ball so much.
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Agree it was like to toe tap or leg kick is used now. It was for timing.
 
Darts said:
Shack, please stop cluttering this thread with your usual nonsense. I was responding to another member who actually knows baseball when he mentioned the 1931 Yankees.
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But that was in comparison to the Reds, who Morgan played with. Hence it was relevant to the thread. Not the batting averages of every batting title winner since the beginning of time. Thumper's post was informative.

Please stop cluttering threads with posts that have absolutely NOTHING to do with the original topic.
thumper18474 said:
comparing the 30's from the 70's
or
70's from the 90's
or whatever gap you want is moot
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One of the best second baseman of all time and the best of his generation. No real point in comparing with others who fit the same description. Have to appreciate that he had decent power despite his size. Also, one of the best TV analysts ever.
 
shack said:
But that was in comparison to the Reds, who Morgan played with. Hence it was relevant to the thread. Not the batting averages of every batting title winner since the beginning of time. Thumper's post was informative.

Please stop cluttering threads with posts that have absolutely NOTHING to do with the original topic.
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As usual, you and your sidekick are also fucking up this thread as you two have done to so many other threads.

Here is what IV said:
" Really sad news, the Big Red Machine was perhaps the best baseball team of all time - hitting wise."

MindJohn
said maybe not and used the 1931 Yankees as an example

I followed with some people think the 1927 Yankees were the best offensive team ever.
 
Insidious Von said:
Really sad news, the Big Red Machine was perhaps the best baseball team of all time - hitting wise.

Look at their batting lineup circa 1975.

Rose
Morgan
Griffey
Perez
Bench
Foster
Geronimo
Conception
Pitcher
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What a lineup!
 
RIP Joe Morgan. Didn't really get to watch him at his peak but really enjoyed his commentary with Jon Miller on ESPN Sunday Night Baseball for years.
 
Darts said:
I think B.A.'s in the 1930's were generally higher than in the 1960's. For example, the guy who won the B.A. title in 1931 hit .390, the guy who hit .373 was runner-up.
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FYI The player who batted .390 was Al Simmons, when he played for the Philly Athletics.

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In 1931, the A's won their third straight AL pennant, by 13.5 games over the Yankees, going 107–45. Simmons won his second batting title, hitting .390 with 22 home runs, 128 RBI, 100 runs scored, 200 hits, 37 doubles, 13 triples and a .641 slugging percentage while playing in only 128 games. He finished third in AL MVP voting behind his MVP teammate Lefty Grove and the Yankees' Lou Gehrig. The A's were upset in their quest for a third consecutive World Series title, losing the World Series in seven games to the Cardinals. Simmons hit .333 with 2 home runs and 8 RBI in the series.

I am not, and I never was a baseball fanatic. However, who in the crowd is familiar with Strat-o-matic baseball?

This was a goto game I played with my buds in late elementary school.
I and another bud sent away for several oldies teams. And this is where I learned about Simmons tremendous BA.

I think the company that makes the game is still in business. And it has been altered to keep in step with the times- computer times. There was also Strat-o-matic football, and basketball.

Speak up if you know Strat-o-matic.
 
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