Rates

[Jasmine Raine]

Can we come up with some terms to define screening?

Every time guys hear screening, they automatically assume that we are asking for everything under the sun. When that is not always the case. Or if it is the case, it is only because the client doesn't have some of the easier forms of screening available to them or they are quite comfortable in giving information.

I offer multiple forms of screening, I prefer only 2 though. I insist on SP reference and prefer a social media account. So any active reviewer on this site will automatically pass screening for me. I'm mainly on TERB so it only makes sense that other active members would pass screening in tic tocs without having to really provide much.

I get asked all the time if there is a way around my screening and I say that I prefer what I do because I find the other a little too intrusive. From my perspective.

However, simply because I say I screen, most on here would have you believe that I'm trying to data-mine everything I can on a client. Then I have to explain it is minor screening. Only then do others then say, "Oh, ok. That is okay then"

Can we not label the difference between minor screening and heavy screening?

This, of course, is meant with no disrespect to those who heavily screen. Just like I don't take offence to those escorts who feel that screening is too much for them.

 

[blueray]

Stedon’s post on screening should be a sticky in all review sections.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Sorry, Jessica. I see you actually answered my question on another thread. Thanks. Twitter could be used, but in my case, for example, the agency girl I'm seeing regularly has a Twitter account but is almost entirely inactive (she actually told me once that she just doesn't really understand how to interact on Twitter) and she doesn't accept direct messages (too many dick pics presumably for her liking) so, again, I'd have no way really to suggest her as a reference unless I were to expect her to change her entire way of doing things just for my convenience so I could see someone else. Which would devastate her, because I'm great. Seriously. Just ask her. Oh. That's right. You can't.

LOL. That was Cute. The bit at the end.

In your case, I would simply ask her the next time you talk to her. I always prefer the lady know that I am going to contact them anyway so she could give you the way she would prefer to be contacted.

You have to realize though, you also saw Heidi and Amy out here in Durham. Amy even replied in your review. That counts as well. And I get references from Amy all the time. Whom I trust.

So while you guys see roadblocks, I see ways to screen. It is not always as hard as you think.

 

[Johnny Utah]

This is where we differ and I guess we will agree to disagree. A discussion on a review board about rates isn't a hatred of anybody, it's simply a discussion and it can sway some folks paying to much to come to the sane side or possibly entice some to partake in the "Elite" hustle.

I know what I did there, sorry but I couldn't resist.

Actually I agree with you when it’s a civil discussion. Some people feel that just because you can pay a higher rate, it makes you an idiot when you can get something similar or equal from an agency.

I don’t think you can convince somebody to pay less and avoid “elites” if those are the people they want to see and they see value in that. Doesn’t make them hopefully or an idiot. Just a different experience.

 

[blueray]

I don’t think you can convince somebody to pay less and avoid “elites” if those are the people they want to see and they see value in that. Doesn’t make them hopefully or an idiot. Just a different experience.

If you choose to drop $500/hr on a woman, I don’t give a rats ass. It’s the casual hobbiest and new Terb members that I and others try to educate. There is no need to spend that type of money. The looks, service, skills and location at the higher price points can easily be found at the $250 price point. Don’t read any hatred in my posts thank you.

 

[Samranchoi]

Like I said previously, most of the complaining and bitching about an SP's service and attitude (except for those visiting from Montreal) are those who are in the mid $200 range. Most of the complaints regarding SP's in the so-called elite status level, above $300, come from the whiners and complainers who choose not to use them because they are too cheap or they feel they are over valued ((more polite way of saying they can't afford them, lol). To disparage a women you have never seen, based upon your bias (price) is quite ignorant and unfair to them. If you write a legitimate review based upon your experience with them, fine, do it. But to continuously harp on something that you have absolutely no knowledge about just shows how moronic you are. And yes, all of you are on "ignore" so I don't have to read so many stupid posts. But, in a way, I do understand your obsession with wanting to "save" men from enjoying the women they actually want to see because that is the only way you can't get back at those who set their "market" price so that they don't have to see guys like you. My guess, you were probably really "hurt" when one of these so-called higher priced women that you were a client of when they were lower priced did not agree to keep the same price when they decided to increase their prices higher. I can't see any other reason why you are so adamant about discussing what women charge. Yes you got butt hurt. Get over it!

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?658596-Best-Independent-SP-of-the-Year-Award-2018

There are women at all price points who are the favorite of many clients . Choice is a beautiful thing that the gentlemen in this city have. Just like everything else that is available, pick and choose whatever you want. Absolutely no need to be so negative on a review board about something like rates.

 

[Samranchoi]

I assume you have me on "Ignore." Oh gee. My loss. I'm devastated. But just in case you don't.

I have never bitched or complained about any girl's rates or screening process. The discussion comes up every now and then and I share the decisions I've made and the reasons I've made them. I have no problem with girls charging whatever they want. I've simply decided - on the basis of having been with girls at all price points - that there's no real difference in the quality of the girl, if you get a good one. A good high priced indie is no better than a good agency girl. That's not an attack on anyone. Just an observation. If a girl wants to charge $400+ an hour - go for it. If she feels she gets better clientele that way - great. I have no complaint.

I've never actually been a regular with an agency girl who's gone independent. But, as I've said, I've been with high priced indies - and the only thing that would probably entice me to go back to a higher price point would be if an agency girl I was regular with went indie and set a higher price point. And if she did that I'd pay it and wouldn't expect to see her at her lower price point. I wouldn't even think of asking for that. You see, you're working on the assumption that - if I'm one of the guys you're talking about - I'm cheap. Not at all. I'm extremely generous to girls I like. But if I haven't seen someone I'm not likely to jump in at the higher price point just on the assumption that because the price point is higher the service is better. Because in my experience in this hobby going back to the late 90's it just isn't. The funny thing is that for years I did the opposite of what I do now. I stuck with indies at higher price points because I was uncomfortable with agencies for various reasons. The "assembly line" image bothered me - and still, I confess, does a little bit. I was with my favourite girl yesterday afternoon and simply put out of my mind the fact that she had seen a guy just before me and had a guy coming in just after me - a fact that I knew from the challenge the agency booker and I had trying to squeeze in my requested length of time into her schedule. I also thought at one time that the lower agency prices would mean less fulfilling service. And then some years back I saw a well reviewed girl from an agency who intrigued me. And I discovered she was fantastic. And I've since discovered many fantastic agency girls. And - as I've referenced above - I've been having a blast gorging myself in recent months on a fantastic agency girl who's as much fun or more than any higher priced indie girl I've ever met. That's not a criticism of the high priced indies. It's a compliment to her - and no, I'm not going to name her here because this isn't a review thread.

As for continually harping on the issue. I've never once in all the years I've been on review boards started a thread dealing with rates, etc. It's generally not a subject I think or care much about. But if someone else starts one I'll add my thoughts. And if that bothers Samranchoi or anyone else, then I'm glad that "ignore" is an option.

To be honest, I only read the first line and nothing else. But if you think I am referring to you, then in some way you must think what I have said applies to you. Wonder why? But, just to be clear, you didn't even come to mind because frankly, I don't read your posts. I will just leave it at that

 

[rhuarc29]

Most of the complaints regarding SP's in the so-called elite status level, above $300, come from the whiners and complainers who choose not to use them because...they feel they are over valued ((more polite way of saying they can't afford them, lol).

That's a dumb statement. You're automatically assuming complaints about poor value for SPs in the $300+ bracket must be from people who can't afford them. In reality, SPs may be overvalued (or undervalued) at all rate levels. It depends entirely on the service. I haven't seen a single person say that no SP's services are properly valued at $300, so I'm not sure where you're getting that idea. Admittedly, I may have missed a post, so feel free to point it out for me. And absolutely, it is inappropriate to disparage a specific SP's rates without ever having met them and therefore having no idea of the value at all. However, it's also completely fair to say that, on average, we haven't seen much difference between agency girls and Indy girls in terms of quality of service. And if that's the case, it makes more sense to go the agency route.

Do you have a problem with any of that?

 

[Samranchoi]

That's a dumb statement. You're automatically assuming complaints about poor value for SPs in the $300+ bracket must be from people who can't afford them. In reality, SPs may be overvalued (or undervalued) at all rate levels. It depends entirely on the service. I haven't seen a single person say that no SP's services are properly valued at $300, so I'm not sure where you're getting that idea. Admittedly, I may have missed a post, so feel free to point it out for me. And absolutely, it is inappropriate to disparage a specific SP's rates without ever having met them and therefore having no idea of the value at all. However, it's also completely fair to say that, on average, we haven't seen much difference between agency girls and Indy girls in terms of quality of service. And if that's the case, it makes more sense to go the agency route.

Do you have a problem with any of that?

You should read everything that has been said before commenting on what I said. The thread is about rates and certain members who do not see the higher priced women claim that their service is not any better then the women that they do see, who are in their acceptable price range. How can they make that statement without ever seeing the higher priced women? You have a choice to see whatever woman you want but it doesn’t mean you have to complain about the higher rates they done providers have. At least you agree that these complainers shouldn’t complain about the rates of a higher priced women that they have not seen. That goes on far too much here

 

[blueray]

And yes, all of you are on "ignore" so I don't have to read so many stupid posts.

Stupid, morons and losers are just three of the words you like to describe those who have different opinions than yours. I couldn't care less whether you have me on ignore or not.

 

[squeezer]

The How To Be SamRan Better Man Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr5qzV-8Zkc

At least you agree that these complainers shouldn’t complain about the rates of a higher priced women that they have not seen. That goes on far too much here

Einstein, I've seen many of the $350 plus providers at the agency rates and trust me, it's the same service and if anything, youth is no longer available at the higher rate.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

I get what some are saying. I can afford to by a brand new car. Shopping around for one this year. I can go 50K but why?

First, I am rough on all my vehicles. My house is clean, my vehicle is a mess.

Second, I would never buy new off the lot because vehicles are depreciating assets and I don't throw away money on depreciation.

Third, I never want to buy the first model of any vehicle. I want the last model in the line because that is the one with the fewer bugs in it. If I buy new, I may not have that option.

So I will be buying used, for about half what I can actually afford.

However what I don't do is call all those buy new cars, idiots. I don't call those sell new cars, hustlers and I don't put down first of the line car. If you can put them down, Y'all know what I mean.

Every time this and screening comes up, there is a HUGE push for agency girls only at $250 or under. Anything else is deemed, stupid, waste of money, and on elitist money hungry bitches. That is the tone, that is the message and that insults people like me. Now to be clear, I am not insulted but I'm a little thicker skinned to go with my thick bod! I can handle it.

What I would like to see, is more open discussion without trying to kill the livelihood of indy escorts or agency escorts, more acceptance to all level of escorts and clients, and stop thinking that the twitter divas are the be-all to indy escorts. Not every guy who doesn't want to screen is an automatic rapist trying to hurt an escort and therefore not every escort screening or setting rates above $250 are diva bitches to avoid.

Stop making such blanket statements. And I am looking at you Squeezer. Why? Because I get that you don't want some newbie feeling he has to do something because of the "push" you see by Twitter Divas, but you don't seem to get that you are doing the same thing here when this is not where there the problem is. It is on Twitter. That is where you should go and push back. When you do it here, you are condemning all the good escorts on this board who are not Divas. It would stop you from having to say - Negative Negative Negative, but Jess is ok. Or Sophia is ok, or so-n-so other person is ok.

I truly believe there is more good than bad on both sides of the coin. So why not label out the few bad apples instead of calling all of us bad apples and then making exceptions for the good ones who just happen to post back and challenge you in the debate.

I mean doesn't that make more sense. Plus, I bet you could really take to a few of those divas and get more satisfaction because you are actually hitting their target audience. And they can be ones to defend their stance, instead of us having to defend ours all the time. Just maybe, something to think about......

Just seems it is always the same few of us getting in on the topic as some other person starts it. One side always on the push and us always defending ourselves. It would be nice to see the cycle stop.

 

[rhuarc29]

You should read everything that has been said before commenting on what I said. The thread is about rates and certain members who do not see the higher priced women claim that their service is not any better then the women that they do see, who are in their acceptable price range. How can they make that statement without ever seeing the higher priced women? You have a choice to see whatever woman you want but it doesn’t mean you have to complain about the higher rates they done providers have. At least you agree that these complainers shouldn’t complain about the rates of a higher priced women that they have not seen. That goes on far too much here

Fair enough. Re-reading your statement I see I may have interpreted it incorrectly.

 

[squeezer]

What I would like to see, is more open discussion without trying to kill the livelihood of indy escorts or agency escorts, more acceptance to all level of escorts and clients, and stop thinking that the twitter divas are the be-all to indy escorts. Not every guy who doesn't want to screen is an automatic rapist trying to hurt an escort and therefore not every escort screening or setting rates above $250 are diva bitches to avoid.

Stop making such blanket statements. And I am looking at you Squeezer. Why? Because I get that you don't want some newbie feeling he has to do something because of the "push" you see by Twitter Divas, but you don't seem to get that you are doing the same thing here when this is not where there the problem is. It is on Twitter. That is where you should go and push back. When you do it here, you are condemning all the good escorts on this board who are not Divas. It would stop you from having to say - Negative Negative Negative, but Jess is ok. Or Sophia is ok, or so-n-so other person is ok.

I've stood by you and Sophia but that is because you are at a standard rate and Sophia is also not unreasonable at $300 and since I've experienced Sophia I know she provides good service. Although, if I were to rebook Sophia or anyone else and asked for personal info, it would end there because it's my choice to not do so. One more mentionable is for me many of the independants I see advertised here that are $350 plus, I would never recommend to anyone and that's my personal opinion and before Samroi jumps in, yes i've been with many of them. I don't say this because they provide sub-par service or are not good looking enough, it's because there is no need if one is new and doesn't know any better to do so. If it's an experienced hobbyist and wants to pay more, truth is I have no issue with it.

 

[blueray]

I've stood by you and Sophia but that is because you are at a standard rate and Sophia is also not unreasonable at $300 and since I've experienced Sophia I know she provides good service. Although, if I were to rebook Sophia or anyone else and asked for personal info, it would end there because it's my choice to not do so. One more mentionable is for me many of the independants I see advertised here that are $350 plus, I would never recommend to anyone and that's my personal opinion and before Samroi jumps in, yes i've been with many of them. I don't say this because they provide sub-par service or are not good looking enough, it's because there is no need if one is new and doesn't know any better to do so. If it's an experienced hobbyist and wants to pay more, truth is I have no issue with it.

Well said Squeezer.

 

[Samranchoi]

Fair enough. Re-reading your statement I see I may have interpreted it incorrectly.

Not a problem. Enjoy all the women that you choose to see and the same to everyone else. Doesn’t matter at what price level as long as you enjoy the time spent with them. That is what this should be all about

 

[blueray]

Not a problem. Enjoy all the women that you choose to see and the same to everyone else. Doesn’t matter at what price level as long as you enjoy the time spent with them. That is what this should be all about

Agreed. There is still hope for you Choi....but I’m on ignore so you will never see this. :whoo:

 

[Kirby2006]

Agreed. There is still hope for you Choi....but I’m on ignore so you will never see this. :whoo:

And so relative peace descends on the Great Rate Debate of 2019. Can we now solemnly swear to not start another rate thread till 2020? Please refer any poor lost souls who do ask about rates to this thread for information purposes.

 

[Tempted Monk]

You get what you pay for.

.... I guess you get what you pay for.

Based on my experience, absolutely not! It does not work this way in this very personal business.
Look at the winners of Best Indy SP poll. Asian Nicole and Sultry Sofia set the highest standard of escort service in Toronto. And both have very reasonable rates.

 

[squeezer]

And so relative peace descends on the Great Rate Debate of 2019. Can we now solemnly swear to not start another rate thread till 2020? Please refer any poor lost souls who do ask about rates to this thread for information purposes.

In 2039 Sophia, Jessica, BlueRay, Stedon, Samroi and myself sitting around the breakfast table at the old age home. Jessica offering Blueray a BJ for 2 slices of raisan bread while Sophia is offering Samroi doggy for 3 of his waffles and old fashion maple syrup which is like gold in the residence. Squeezer is shaking his head and whispering to Stedon, the fool could go on the second floor and get a gum job for a stale donut and he's about to part with his waffles. Then out of no where with her golden walker strolls in Dawn Lee muttering under her breath,"dumbasses aren't even asking to see the old coots old pension slips for screening purposes," story to be continued after morning excercises.