Based on what? Because he pays more does that mean he treats her better? Some rich guys are just out right fucking assholes, others are not. I imagine most guys who are paying $250 per hour do treat the girls they see properly, there will always be assholes regardless of class, or perceived class.
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Based on what? Because he pays more does that mean he treats her better? Some rich guys are just out right fucking assholes, others are not. I imagine most guys who are paying $250 per hour do treat the girls they see properly, there will always be assholes regardless of class, or perceived class.
Based on the personal experiences of multiple escorts.
I'm not saying there are not assholes. What I am saying is, most of those men are willing to screen which in itself makes women feel safer. Also, it is a known fact, believe it or not, that most of those men do not haggle, waste a bunch of time, or threaten to rape you for no reason. I'm sorry that is it that way but you all know 90% of Asian ads are bait and switch. We know 90% of higher-paying clients will screen and will generally behave better in the booking process.
It is what it is man. Sorry.
LMAO. I knew when I found this thread that I would find someone that would say this. Good job Frank, can you lend me a couple hun...I'm a little short and wanna go see Madison Winter?
Very good but notice you yourself agree the $80 champaign is the just as good as the $225. Now I get what you're saying. I have purchased many bottles of Dom when I needed to make a statement but at home, when it's just me and a good friend or friends it's beer and $20 bottles of wine. If it's just me seeing a lady, why on earth would I pay more than $250 and yes, most of these $400.00 ladies have actually been with me during their agency days at $250 or less and they are now older and some are still good at what they do and other's picked up bad attitudes along the way.
ps...Jessica, you and I are done, it's over and I'm packing up and leaving! I'm very offended and btw, you're a $250.00 kind of lady, how would you know that a $400 type of client is easy to lead around by the wallet and is willing to throw all caution to the wind? Hearsay maybe by the elites trying to convice others to join the $400 club so they have less competition?
You mean that is all I had to do to get rid of you? Why the fuck didn't you say so sooner? LOL
I did work elsewhere before settling in Durham, and when in Rome type thing, I charged more. I saw a difference between higher rate clients and the hearsay from lower rate clients. I have never been priced lower than area medium. Always a minimum of slightly above the average rate.
When I moved to Durham, I purposely priced myself higher than others in Durham to avoid the lower rate clients who I felt would give me hassle over screening, and generally prefer quickies which are not me. Pricing is apart of screening as well. At least for me and for Durham. And that was based on research in the area. It is very easy in this day and age of the internet to research your target market in any area. Smart business skills from my mainstream work taught me to always do your homework.
I do agree that there many "Elites" who want to push for an average higher rate. What they don't realize is if they win the rising of the average, they won't like the extra competition and they won't like the actual change to the industry that will happen. We need the 3 levels we have of lower rates, mid-range and higher. It gives every client a range to work with as well. This is for every industry. This one is no different. But some, most, don't have the same business skills as me. And some need to realize that while they have priced themselves out of their quote needs, they can lower slightly without compromising their screening. Don't be $400, be $350. It is still the same realm after all.
I can only speak for myself but with all the nasty things that have been done to me over the years (outed online and in the real world, stalked, bashed online, etc.), if I was going to snap it would have happened a long time ago. Like Jessica I work from my home so now ask for references and in lieu of that work verification, etc. Before that I didn't and look what was visited upon me. Most of us screen with good reason and charge what we do based on overhead, etc. In my experience in this industry I'm far more likely to be shortchanged, cancelled on last minute, no showed, etc. than the opposite. I'm continually on the reliable indy list with good reason. You have your logic for doing things your way and I have mine. Just a side note, many of us offer a reduced rate for longer get togethers, in effect making our hourly fee comparable or even cheaper. Food for thought!
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This is exactly how it should be done and practiced by experienced clients, well done Stedon.
It may not look like it but I don't blame the ladies for preying on the easily preyed upon, I applaud their ambition.
Wow, you literally insulted a lot of men, not just women. I assure you that I and others don't prey on people and your assumption that we do is way off base. I took psychology to help others, not to manipulate them like you often appear to be doing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2jeQ9F8RoI
I'm Walkin' down a crowded street,
Theres always someone staring at me.
WHO DIED AND MADE YOU GOD?
Hey you, over there, why don't you cut your hair?
WHO DIED AND MADE YOU GOD?
I don't know the reason why?
You're not god, so then who died?
WHO DIED AND MADE YOU GOD?
Well forget that now everyone, and now gather round let's have fun.
WHO DIED AND MADE YOU GOD?
Well who died, and made you god?
Well who died, and made you god?
Well who died, and made you god?
Is there something wrong with you, why
don't you like the things we do.
WHO DIED AND MADE YOU GOD?
What are you looking at?
Do you want some friction back?
WHO DIED AND MADE YOU GOD?
Think you own the world you say, that
attitude is such a shame.
WHO DIED AND MADE YOU GOD?
Well who died, and made you god?
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Well who died, and made you god?
Freedom is a way of life, who are you to criticize.
WHO DIED AND MADE YOU GOD?
Play it safe that's your way, take a chance what are you afraid?
WHO DIED AND MADE YOU GOD?
Put us down, treat us wrong.You and me we been
Belong.
WHO DIED AND MADE YOU GOD?
Well who died, and made you god?
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You're like a broken record on here. What happened to make you so singular in your quest to inform everyone else how things should be done according to you? You make it your mission to jump on every such thread putting your spin on things. I find your closed mindedness on these matters regrettable. I seriously can't fathom your crusade or absolute need to do this at every opportunity. It must get very tiring.
Peace Out! :hippie:
With my ATF, the ideal session time was 3 hours, but her rate was 250 and $600 for the three hours. Yet guys on hear scream cheap ass cause I won't pay $350. Go figure.
The multi-hour rates than some women have are funny. Unfortunately most don't know very much about economics. I laugh when I see a woman $350/hr or $650/2 hrs or 950/3 hrs....like WTF. Make the discount worth booking for the client. Now, nobody is saying you do the Cineplex popcorn pricing of $5.50 for a small, $5.75 for a medium and $6 for a large...but you get the idea. Make the client want to buy the large because its such a good deal. He isn't going to be banging you for three hours, believe me. $300/hr $500/2hrs $650/3hrs.
Does the woman who is the subject of this thread:
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?661976-Anti-Sex-Work-Crusader
Remind you of guys who added comments in this thread and the Allegra thread?
No wonder they haven’t commented on the above thread. At least she doesn’t hide like the guys here do when she voices her ridiculous opinions and thoughts. They take trolling to the highest level. It makes you wonder if they are one in the same person as there can’t be that many dense guys here. Can there?
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?661976-Anti-Sex-Work-Crusader
Remind you of guys who added comments in this thread and the Allegra thread?
No wonder they haven’t commented on the above thread. At least she doesn’t hide like the guys here do when she voices her ridiculous opinions and thoughts. They take trolling to the highest level. It makes you wonder if they are one in the same person as there can’t be that many dense guys here. Can there?
You underestimate the size of the, as you put it, loser/idiot brethren. We hold monthly dinner meetings at the dollarama in Scarborough.....it's pot luck to keep costs down. :wave:
I mostly stick to agencies. I only ever do 1 hr sessions. I have considered doing multi hours a lot of times with favourites of mine. Having inquired, there is no discount on multi hours which gives no incentive to do so. With SFTO it is actually more expensive, where the terb discount only applies to the first hour.
there will always be clients for each price level, as there will always be SP for every working class joe. When the price is right, the fun begins
Even after this solid ass kicking post by you I will state: I lost track of what your hourly rate has been as of late and noticed you are at $300/hr. I can honestly say you are worth every penny and I would never not recommend you at your current rate to any of my diciples.
Just a friendly reminder, this Sunday, a little more in the basket would be heavenly appreciated and if you run into Jesus please blacklist the bearded pooner. He always shorts the envelope, kids!
I appreciate your posts especially in the midst of the echoes of repeated crusades and lashings for those that don’t seem to hold the same opinions.
Do the right thing and show your real support by booking Sophia because if you never have or do not you're just blowing wind up her round hiney.
I don’t think that has anything with liking somebody’s posts. Have to spread the good sometimes amongst the hate around here.
This is where we differ and I guess we will agree to disagree. A discussion on a review board about rates isn't a hatred of anybody, it's simply a discussion and it can sway some folks paying to much to come to the sane side or possibly entice some to partake in the "Elite" hustle.
I know what I did there, sorry but I couldn't resist.
Since I have been checking my privilege lately I will add that I don't have the same expenses as other escorts. I have Terb. That is my main expense. That is it. I rarely advertise anywhere else and when I do it is more for support of that platform then actually using it. I have credit on Discreetlist, LL and VIPFlavours. I don't use 2 of them right now. And let's be real, I don't really post ads on Terb either. Sometimes I have to remember to post one. I do however post a lot and feel it is important to give back. It is not like posting doesn't bring clients so it is fair. But that is it for advertising expenses.
I don't pay for a hotel, alternate phone or anything else. I pay for my hosting and domain. But nothing else webwise anymore. I manage it on my own for the updating. So there is no real expense to take out of my rates.
This makes me think, if I had those expenses would I charge more? I certainly do when I am traveling to help cover the cost of the hotel. Just like any business, more expense the more a bit of that is put on the customer. It is business 101.
Knowing your market etc is business 101 too and I think many ladies could use help in that area but alas, that is not what most are in this industry for. You will see many of the older ladies have, through experience, learned their market and that is why I believe many older ladies don't have as many quota issues as younger SPs.
It just takes time to find your spot in the pond. But you have to able to be flexible to move with the waves or you just get sunk.
I do my best to help an lady who reaches out to me for advice. Often making phone calls, reviewing sites and ads, making suggestions on anything I think can help them. My PM box is always open to anyone who wants to pick my brain.
I don't pay for a hotel, alternate phone or anything else. I pay for my hosting and domain. But nothing else webwise anymore. I manage it on my own for the updating. So there is no real expense to take out of my rates.
This makes me think, if I had those expenses would I charge more? I certainly do when I am traveling to help cover the cost of the hotel. Just like any business, more expense the more a bit of that is put on the customer. It is business 101.
Knowing your market etc is business 101 too and I think many ladies could use help in that area but alas, that is not what most are in this industry for. You will see many of the older ladies have, through experience, learned their market and that is why I believe many older ladies don't have as many quota issues as younger SPs.
It just takes time to find your spot in the pond. But you have to able to be flexible to move with the waves or you just get sunk.
I do my best to help an lady who reaches out to me for advice. Often making phone calls, reviewing sites and ads, making suggestions on anything I think can help them. My PM box is always open to anyone who wants to pick my brain.
This was a great post, and almost exactly how I feel about the issue. I've never found indies to be more reliable or service-oriented than agency girls, on average. Just more expensive. These days I usually only go the indie route with ladies I already have a history with, or have met initially through an agency. With all things being equal, why dish out an extra $100 for an untested experience? That said, I do get tempted and would have jumped on a few ladies if not for their screening practices, which is a much bigger issue for me than rates. References I can handle (though even that's getting harder as the indies I know retire), but a real name? My work phone number?! Not a chance! Are you nuts??? Who in their right mind would give their work phone number to a stranger in such a compromising situation?
I have no problem with people having a discussion about rates. Frankly, I think the value proposition isn't great, which is why I hobby once or twice a month, rather than once or twice a week which I would do if the rates were about 20% lower. It's just I can do so much else with that $1500/mo I'm saving. That's ten fancy dinners. Forty VIP theater trips. A third of a modest trip. A sizeable investment. A very unfortunate weekend gambling.
Yet, I understand the value proposition has to be right on the other side of the equation as well. I wouldn't expect an SP to see more than 3 - 4 clients in a day. There are expenses incurred through their line of work, and Toronto is an expensive city. And this is an industry where being burnt out means you can't do your job very well, so staving that off is critical.
Ultimately, SPs will make their own decision on what to charge and clients will decide whether to accept that price or not. Discussion of rates is fine by me, but there's no reason to be bitter about it.
