Quick (and easy) Poll

[papasmerf]

It's on responsibility.

you can use all the politicaly correct terms you like but if you fail to do right thing and some one dies........Can you live with yourself is a question of morals or the lack there of.

 

[TQM]

so papa,

someone who fails to act is then partly responsible for what happens?

 

[papasmerf]

someone who fails to act is then partly responsible for what happens?

failure to act is to particpate in the killing

 

[TQM]

Thank you papa

for finally answering sufficiently.......

 

[papasmerf]

for finally answering sufficiently.......

I am not sure I did
you asked a benign question not one with purpose

 

[TQM]

You're wrong (again)

The purpose was clear and obvious.

 

[papasmerf]

The purpose was clear and obvious.

Not at all
you sought people to agree with you

 

[TQM]

No papa, wrong yet again.

But I'm particularly heartened that you, of all people, now do agree with me. We can leave it at that.

 

[papasmerf]

TQM

should you fail to act and save a life you will one day have to defend your lack of action.............Tis better to die trying to save a stranger then it is of old age.

 

[TQM]

papa,

Please try to understand that I agree with you.

 

[papasmerf]

Please try to understand that I agree with you.

you should have said that 40 odd posts ago

 

[TQM]

You didn't say what

you've said now 40 posts ago. I kept trying to drag it out of you. I kept reminding you you weren't answering my question. Now you did. And in the meantime you've seriously misrepesented my position several times.

 

[jazzpig]

tqm

So, is this a poll, or are you inviting all challengers.

 

[TQM]

jazz,

I'm genuinely interested it what people will say, and I'm hoping that they can then generalize their views an apply it to other situations.

 

[papasmerf]

you've said now 40 posts ago. I kept trying to drag it out of you. I kept reminding you you weren't answering my question. Now you did. And in the meantime you've seriously misrepesented my position several times.

never misrepresented it
just did not put it into words you liked

 

[fuji]

Wrong on all counts.

You can't be both 0% and 100% responsible. Not morally. Not according to law.

Sure you can. You can be 0% responsible for one thing and 100% responsible for another. Plainly. You are just being silly denying that.

You contradict yourself repeatedly in your interpretation of the law. If you are found guilty, say, of "negligence" as you put it, you need to just spend a few moments pondering what you've been found "negligent" about.

Failing to render assistance.

The fact that you have been found negligent in a court of law shows that you are not in any way 0% responsible for what happened.

You're filling in the object now, "for what happened", though it's still pretty broad. Here is one thing you are NOT responsible for: Murder.

The murderer is responsible for the murder. 100% responsible.

You are responsible for your negligence, 100%.

 

[Hank Reardon]

The only answer is

You see a guy roughing up a woman. You don't want to get involved. You go in the other direction, as if you saw nothing. (We know this happens all the time - people witness crimes but do nothing about them.)

You find out later the woman was murdered. On a scale of 0 to 100, to what degree do you hold yourself responsible? (0 - not responsible at all; 100 totally responsible).

zero,

saying that I would get involved though.

but not responsible

 

[TQM]

fuji,

My question was clear. To what degree do you hold yourself responsible for what happened?

You can't assign both 0% and 100%.

 

[clubber]

Back in 1984 a couple of friends and I walked into a corner store to find a group of skin heads roughing up a lady from India. We stopped them. Myself and one of my friends were charged with assaulting these nice clean cut racists. We spent a night in jail, the charges thrown out later. Oddly all that stuck with one of these assholes was a simple shop lifting charge.

I could never have walked away. If I had of I could never have lived with myself had I not acted

In the situation you discribe I would hold myself 100% responsible if I were to walk away. I have learned and taught classes in various forms of fighting. I try not to judge others in what they do as I do not know the reason. In situations like this I would wonder why a person could at least not called 911. Then again nobody really knows how they will act until it happens.

 

[fuji]

My question was clear. To what degree do you hold yourself responsible for what happened?

You can't assign both 0% and 100%.

So if you are refusing to answer which of the things that happened you are asking about, I will pick: The murder.

I am 0% responsible for the murder.