purchasing handgun
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Curious ...
I'm not flaming.
Hornydawg - I'm really curious. Why do you want a gun? And in particular, why do you want a handgun? What's the use of having one?
Like I said - not flaming; just curious.
I'm not flaming.
Hornydawg - I'm really curious. Why do you want a gun? And in particular, why do you want a handgun? What's the use of having one?
Like I said - not flaming; just curious.
You Know the old saying....... you never need a gun till you need one badly.................. same deal with condoms
The next time someone is accidentally killed by coins or stamps I'll agree with your comparison. In a perfect world I would fight for your right to collect any kind of gun you want, but IMO this isn't a perfect world and there are planty of things to collect that aren't used to put holes in people and things.
There is one thing that I can guarantee you. A gun is no more dangerous than a coin collection. As long as someone with no ill will loads a gun, points a gun at someone and pulls a trigger the gun is completely incapable of inflicting harm. I'd say an unloaded gun is less dangerous than a coin. I could choke on a coin. I've known a few kids who have had coins thrown at them and lodged in their eyes. The difference here is the gun requires an evil act by a person. A coin collection can kill just by being...DATYdude said:The next time someone is accidentally killed by coins or stamps I'll agree with your comparison. In a perfect world I would fight for your right to collect any kind of gun you want, but IMO this isn't a perfect world and there are planty of things to collect that aren't used to put holes in people and things.
The law abiding firearm owner is in very many ways the least of societies worries. Insurance rates for legal gun owners are so low because there are virtually no accidents with lawfully owned guns.
What most people don't know is that the process to become licensed and then the requirements to maintain ownership are soooo strict in Canada that the gun is essentially useless in all cases.
Personally, I'm thinking of getting a Glock 35 (.40 cal). You might think about getting a Glock 34 (9mm) if you are set on 9mm. They have a lighter trigger pull than the police issue glock 17 or 22 and are better suited to becoming an IPSC shooter.
They have slightly longer barrels but that will help control recoil and make aiming easier too. What gun club are you a member at?
Why not have a handgun? Why are we stereotyping someone just because he wants a handgun? I use to love shooting guns. Especially handguns. I never had an inclination to kill anything. I use to like shooting at targets. --- KevDATYdude said:I also want to know why you want a handgun ... A hunting rifle I can understand if you're a hunter but a handgun?
We don't need more handguns in Canada. Go to the US and stay there.
Did you at least give them a running head start ?Kev said:[B I use to like shooting at targets. --- Kev [/B]
C'mon if you like shooting at targets get a computer game or a BB gun . Handguns have one purpose , and one purpose only.
I don't doubt that there are many millions of responsible handgun owners, and it's too bad that jerks ruin things for you.
But on balance, if I knew that doing so it would save one life or maiming, I would take every lawfully-owned gun away.
I would also take a few driver's licenses away, but that's for another thread...
But on balance, if I knew that doing so it would save one life or maiming, I would take every lawfully-owned gun away.
I would also take a few driver's licenses away, but that's for another thread...
And something tells me that if you knew that one life could be saved by using a handgun for protection you would still take every lawfully-owned gun away.DATYdude said:
But on balance, if I knew that doing so it would save one life or maiming, I would take every lawfully-owned gun away.
I would also take a few driver's licenses away, but that's for another thread...
This is the ironic thing about your logic... taking guns away from the law-abiding has, in every single jurisdiction it has ever been tried resulted in only one thing... increased crime... increased use of firearms by criminals... increased home invasions..... etc.DATYdude said:I don't doubt that there are many millions of responsible handgun owners, and it's too bad that jerks ruin things for you.
But on balance, if I knew that doing so it would save one life or maiming, I would take every lawfully-owned gun away.
I would also take a few driver's licenses away, but that's for another thread...
The reason... the criminals know that society has been disarmed by the government. This makes them alpha with little or no fear of retribution.
Now, in the United States they have seen the error of these ways... many states now have "Shall issue" concealed carry permits for qualified citizens. In every place that this has been implemented the rates of crime have dropped dramatically.
Criminals don't like equal odds.
When I first read your reply... that "some jerks" ruin it for the law-abiding, I immediately thought about criminals with guns... but then I thought that some of the people that ruin it for the law-abiding are folks that believe that a gun is only for killing and that no person should have one.
There is no comparison to a video game versus a real firearm. Video game snipers have no idea how challenging long range shooting really is... the enviromental influences like weather, wind, etc all contribute to the challenge. You can't replicate the reality with a TV screen. Video games might be fine for folks too castrated by fear to hold a real gun, but there are people who do not fear innanimate objects.
While looking into Bowling for Columbine do a little google search for it. There is substantial evidence and analysis available to discredit much of this "documentary" film.DATYdude said:So your argument is that more guns make us safer.
For an extended diatribe about why your argument is wrong, see Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine.
After you read both sides of the debate, if you can't concede that creative film editing and very liberal artistic license can skew a film like this any way the director wants I'll be amazed.
I guess you believe everything you read simply because it is written down?
You're definitely right that Moore is fully willing to distort to make his point. I didn't claim otherwise. But he has a point that the nation with the highest rate of gun ownership has by far the highest rate of gun deaths.
Moore asks many people "Why?" and gets no definitive answer, except that it looks like it's a simple matter of availablility.
Persuade me otherwise. My mind is open.
Moore asks many people "Why?" and gets no definitive answer, except that it looks like it's a simple matter of availablility.
Persuade me otherwise. My mind is open.
If you are planning on shooting quite a bit, you might want to stick with a 9mm, ammo is cheaper.
I hope you enjoy yourself.
I hope you enjoy yourself.
The US doesn't have the highest rate of gun ownership. Try Switzerland, which, by the way, has a very low crime rate. "Why" aren't you asking "why" that is? "Why" do you think making guns illegal will decrease crimes, when any crime with a gun is already illegal? "Why" will outlawing law-abiding citizens from having guns stop criminals from using guns to commit crimes? "Why"?DATYdude said:You're definitely right that Moore is fully willing to distort to make his point. I didn't claim otherwise. But he has a point that the nation with the highest rate of gun ownership has by far the highest rate of gun deaths.
Moore asks many people "Why?" and gets no definitive answer, except that it looks like it's a simple matter of availablility.
Persuade me otherwise. My mind is open.
You've triggered two thoughts for me and I'll try and remember to make both here...DATYdude said:But he has a point that the nation with the highest rate of gun ownership has by far the highest rate of gun deaths.
First, the US rate of gun deaths may be the highest. I don't know for sure. I do know that there is much more to this statistic than availability of firearms in the US that is responsible for this number. When people analyze the data (seperating the deaths) contributing factors become much more clear. Most of the US gun death problem is related to drugs, inner city gangs, and youth violence in the ghettos of major urban centres. There is much more contributing to the gun death numbers in these areas than the guns. These areas would/do see violence with any weapon available. Take these numbers out of the statistic and gun deaths in the US would look entirely different I'm sure. That is the real story that should be explored in documentary.
Second, and this point applies in both the US and Canada. Many people lump all gun owners together as part of one gun culture. The image in most people's mind is the drugs, gangs, drive-by cold-blooded killer culture from above and what we see every weekend now in Toronto.
The gun culture that I and others on this board (apparently) belong to is the real majority and is the true, historical and traditional gun culture in Canada. That culture is responsible ownership, stewardship of firearms and hunting ethics, intolerance for violence with any weapon, and in many ways a community of shooters. Where strangers meet and become friends, where couples meet and where parents participate with their children. Where people can practise a sport that is safe, fun, and encourages constant improvement.
This pastime is no different than people connected by passion for golf, hockey, working out at the gym, whatever.
A final thought.... with the government's $2 billion dollar registration plan there have been 2 million gun owners come forward as law-abiding license owners. That number does not include all military and LE members in the country that do not need to have a license to carry a firearm. That means about 7-10 percent of Canadians own firearms. If guns in the hands of these people is such a problem (that's why we spent $2 billion) then the streets would be running red in every village, town and city across the country.
It simply is not the case and government continues to placate those fearful of any gun by going after those they think they can punish. Unfortunately we haven't sent a strong enough message that it is NOT the licensed firearm owner.
Interesting
This is terribly naive of me to be sure, but I never once considered gun collecting along the lines of stamps, coins, bottles etc. I just never really thought that people would be attracted to collecting guns.
Silly me. Thank you to the legitimate gun owners for the enlightenment.
This is terribly naive of me to be sure, but I never once considered gun collecting along the lines of stamps, coins, bottles etc. I just never really thought that people would be attracted to collecting guns.
Silly me. Thank you to the legitimate gun owners for the enlightenment.
Stamps don't kill people, People kill people.DATYdude said:The next time someone is accidentally killed by coins or stamps I'll agree with your comparison. In a perfect world I would fight for your right to collect any kind of gun you want, but IMO this isn't a perfect world and there are planty of things to collect that aren't used to put holes in people and things.
