Psychiatrist referral
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You're right that psychotherapists aren't regulated by any college and that anyone (heaven forbid anyone on Terb especially Hank Reardon) can call themselves one. However, in my experience, many are very well-trained and professional - there are many highly-regarded training institutes in the city. I definitely think it is a case of buyer beware in relation to them (check references, call the training institute who trained them), but I also think it is the case with any professional.squash500 said:
FYI as of mid-2007, the Ontario Government passed Bill 171. Section Q is designed to regulate psychotherapy through a College. Though the actual regulation will take a while to go through, the industry in the province will radically change as a result.
3Tees you are absolutely right. Ymmv may vary with these psychotherapists. I recently spoke to someone who said it would take about three years for psychotherapists to be regulated by a college. I personally see my family doctor once a week for psychotherapy. As I have a learning disability, high blood pressure, and high anxiety----it is sort of like one stop shopping. My doc can prescribe me meds and give me therapy at the same time----and it is all covered under ohip
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.Amen to that! Three years seems about right for the College to be set-up and sort through its own regulatory and policy issues.squash500 said:3Tees you are absolutely right. Ymmv may vary with these psychotherapists. I recently spoke to someone who said it would take about three years for psychotherapists to be regulated by a college. I personally see my family doctor once a week for psychotherapy. As I have a learning disability, high blood pressure, and high anxiety----it is sort of like one stop shopping. My doc can prescribe me meds and give me therapy at the same time----and it is all covered under ohip
Sad how shallow and selfish a person you are. Perhaps if you tried to help a person in need (financial or other) you would feel better about yourself but I sense that is too much to ask such a miserable person such as yourself.Hank Reardon said:
Stay in that dark hole of yours and keep taking what society and others give you and put nothing back. In your twisted world that is probably what makes you feel good.
Keep stepping on those birds with broken wings - perhaps some day the tables will be turned and they will do the same to you.
squash500 said:
I totally agree. The person has to want to be helped. I hope once she has some good choices she will make the right decision but it will be up to her.
See, you are the problem not the soloution.petitelover said:
Has nothing to do with sad and selfish but it has plenty to do with enabling and going to therapy yourself to understand why you have this need to help someone who clearly seeks no help.
I will offer you some help, dig deep in your childhood to see why you need to do this .
Therapy yourself is an important frist step .
petitelover said:
Do you have any true friends besides your SP friends?
If a sappy customer will foot the bill for here, why would a sappy customer not give her a ride to the shrink's office?
btw.. what are her rates and contact number? I might want to try her out before she retires
It has everything to do with selfishness and you seem to be as self-centered as they come. Too bad you can't comprehend what I am suggesting. I guess to avoid therapy in your world I should not give a damn about others. I should walk by and laugh at those standing out in the street collecting money for sick kids. I should spit on the homeless people up and down the sidewalks of Toronto and go home and feel good about myself. Hank, it must be hard to live with yourself.Hank Reardon said:
Yes, Papi I have friends other than SP's and I would be more than happy to give her a ride to a shrink's office but since I am from the States and am in Toronto on occasion, it might be easier for her to go by bus/subway. Additionally, I believe she has to want to go and by me taking her it might give the wrong impression.Papi Chulo said:
Big Kudos on finally being correct about something !petitelover said:
I am selfish, I am self centered- and I thank you for the compliment kind sir !
Like in an airplane when they say ''put your mask on before you help others'', is what you need to do.
Tell you what, why don't you comment on how you are /are not an enabler. I will help you with your first step.
Also , spending money on an escort as you do is pretty selfish and self centered too . Welcome to the club
Thank you for your acknowledgment. You are truly a pathetic person. Perhaps I should start a thread to get you some names of professionals to work on your humanity. On second thought, some people are beyond help.Hank Reardon said:
I think that would be very consistant with you attempting to help others rather than look in the mirror,
There are lots more good things that you can do to ''save humanity'' for the common good rather than to pretend to be something here on TERB,
There are lots more good things that you can do to ''save humanity'' for the common good rather than to pretend to be something here on TERB,
In Hamilton there is a 'STARS' program that deals with the mental affects of working in the profession and to assist with the self esteem needed and skills building needed to get out of the business. NO REFERRAL required. Just a waiting list and a address in hamilton is needed. (Just tell her to use any woman shelters' adress in hamilton (they cant confirm or deny her being there, I know that is not proper, but if she is as worse off as u say she is then it is for the best...) It is with the Elizabeth Fry Society... they can also refer u to a psychotherapist....petitelover said:
I wish her luck...
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They can also refer
Kat
With the exception of some, thanks to all that have posted. I have several suggestions to give her and it will be up to her to take advantage of them.
That is certainly the case for you. You're pretending to be to be some sort of psychologist or psychological expert, but in fact, you know virtually nothing.Hank Reardon said:
You bandy around words like projection and enabler as if you know it all. In fact your knowledge is vague, impish, immature and totally incomplete. You come across as CNN-Lite in a Dr. Phil wannabe fashion. Perhaps you should examine why you want to "rescue" all these people upon whom you project and call enablers. You should also address your need to play pop psychologist from the safety of your computer. You probably don't have the courage to say this stuff to people directly. And if you do, chances are you get very confused and frightened when people don't listen to you.
I have a knowledge of clinical psychology, and actually have years of experience in working with projection. It is more often than not a very subtle and complex activity, involving the interplay between two individuals. It is rarely as simple as someone saying “I think you have mental issues” and not examining their own mental issues. That’s the bubble-gum, vending machine style of psychology that you’re practicing. The projection is not necessarily what is said, but the issues of anger, fear, shame and guilt that are disowned or put onto the other person.
Get someone to feel their feelings as their own and see their impact on others and you are beginning the healing process. Simply throwing back insults at someone and saying “you’re projecting on me” or “I’m just holding up the mirror” does no good - at best it's really, really amateurish psychotherapy. It’s like two bulls butting heads, and by pretending to know it all you’re the one raising the red cape to the other bulls.
You’re just a shit disturber and a coward with your hit-and-run harsh reality, and you’re not helping anyone, as evidenced by the resistance you are getting. Would anyone who has been the beneficiary of Hank's insights care to stand-up and say that he's helped them in any way?
If you actually want to help people, you need to change your approach. Compassion - as a psychotherapeutic tool is as powerful as "the harsh reality" that you claim to practice, here only on TERB. See Hank, I'm assuming that you're not some sort of therapist - and if you're not, in your own words, please stop pretending to be one here on here on TERB, there's lots more good you can do for humanity -blah, blah, blah... truth hurts - blah, blah, blah. How does my harsh reality sound to you? Does it sound conceited? Does it make you want to amend your ways? Does it make you want to listen to me? Compassion, my friend, of which I am showing you very little could get you to listen to me more carefully.
Your definition of enabler also comes off as a Psych-101 Flunkie. Now, to give you some credit (and I shudder to do so), you've called people enablers, and in fact they more than likely are. However - douchebag - you don't realize that there are stages to the process - including the stage of finally taking the appropriate action. See, what you fail to understand is that seeking professional help for the addicted person is NOT (and I repeat NOT) considered an enabling activity - and that is what people have come on to TERB to do. Someone may have been an enabler in the past, but that does not mean they are so in the present.
Finally, to show you that I understand you, projection and enabling, I invite you to respond to me. Go on... call me any name in that pop-psychology playbook that you have. Turn the tables on me and give me your prognosis. Rip-apart my post. I have absolutely no intention of responding to anything you say. Here's why:
- First, there was a guy on here who had as a signature line "Never argue with an idiot, they just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." As such, I have no intention of arguing with you - I don't want to be dragged down by you. Oh, and by the way, if you feel the same about me, I'd appreciate you saving the bandwidth and not responding to this post.
- Second, I don't want to "enable" you to be the Dr. Phil wannabe that you want to be. This is my one and only post to you, no matter what you may say. How's that for understanding the definition of enabler - not doing something that will actually enable you to continue your maladaptive ways?
- Third, those with projective personalities love to hit and run. They also love to create fear and draw people to them through hostility, because they are too cowardly to create any form of intimacy any other way. So go ahead and hit and run with me, I won't be drawn to you like a fly is to sh*t. I'm more confident than you are.
- Fourth, there is a famous psychiatrist that says “We are defined by our neuroses.” My reply is riddled with my own. My guess is that you are good enough to pick some of them out – but guess what - I’m aware of them, I’m OK with them and in general, I’m in control of them. So point-out the obvious, there’s not a lot that you can say to get my goat.
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Compassion ????
While you use the word douchebag etc .
And how would you see yourself with your ever powerful microscope ?
I know gals just like you.
Now get lost,
While you use the word douchebag etc .
And how would you see yourself with your ever powerful microscope ?
I know gals just like you.
Now get lost,
I gotta go with Hank on this one. You can't fix someone else's problems and sometimes a person has to hit their bottom before they can see that the only way to go is up.
You CAN do this with compassion, you don't have to be cruel. No one said anything about stepping on broken wings, I believe the nugget of Hank's post was "accountibility for one's own life". Only they can fix themselves and if she is reluctant to talk to her GP then she is her own worst problem.
That much said if she WAS to take steps to fix her life you could easily be a supportive and compassionate person in it. But be forewarned that if you play "the supportive guy that gets her thru the rough times", once she is all "better" you will be dropped like a hot potato since you will remind her of her former life. This typically happens with a "purge" of one's old life.
Just telling it the way it is, not the way you wish it could be. Point her in the direction of CAMH and let the professionals do their job that way you can be sure you are not being "played".
You CAN do this with compassion, you don't have to be cruel. No one said anything about stepping on broken wings, I believe the nugget of Hank's post was "accountibility for one's own life". Only they can fix themselves and if she is reluctant to talk to her GP then she is her own worst problem.
That much said if she WAS to take steps to fix her life you could easily be a supportive and compassionate person in it. But be forewarned that if you play "the supportive guy that gets her thru the rough times", once she is all "better" you will be dropped like a hot potato since you will remind her of her former life. This typically happens with a "purge" of one's old life.
Just telling it the way it is, not the way you wish it could be. Point her in the direction of CAMH and let the professionals do their job that way you can be sure you are not being "played".
Any 12 step program would validate what my point is here.
Camh would validate my point here.
Dewalt said it in a real nice way , and I offer big props to him for that.
The first step is admitting that you have a problem.
This girl ( that petitedick talks about ) clearly does not seek help.
Petitedick though could use some tough love though
Camh would validate my point here.
Dewalt said it in a real nice way , and I offer big props to him for that.
The first step is admitting that you have a problem.
This girl ( that petitedick talks about ) clearly does not seek help.
Petitedick though could use some tough love though
"Petitedick?" I erred when I said you were a fifth grader. I should have said second.Hank Reardon said:
