Psychiatrist referral

jwmorrice

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petitelover said:
Anyone in particular you might suggest?
She'd probably be assigned to a graduate student in training. Sometimes that's the best idea. Those just starting out in the field tend to have more energy and are more willing to take on the more disturbed clients. As you get older, life just seems too short to put up with a lot of acting out, etc.

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Bass8lbs said:
Your friend must be prepared for alot of pain whether it be with either pyschiatrist or psychologist. They both tend to make things a hell of alot worse before any progress can be made which takes years.
I would respectfully suggest that that is not the norm. If one embarks, for example, on a course of psychoanalytic psychotherapy - that with which I am most familiar - the first year is often a rather placid period. The patient wants to be heard and generous dollops of empathy will establish a trusting relationship. It's after that that the fireworks can, and should, begin!

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jwmorrice said:
I would respectfully suggest that that is not the norm. If one embarks, for example, on a course of psychoanalytic psychotherapy - that with which I am most familiar - the first year is often a rather placid period. The patient wants to be heard and generous dollops of empathy will establish a trusting relationship. It's after that that the fireworks can, and should, begin!

jwm
I don't know, all cases are different. When I finally went we (the therapist and I) jumped in with both feet. That being said, my 'walls' are not as thick and as high as some peoples are. For some people the discovery period comes quickly, for others months or even years to realize, and a lot longer that that coming to terms and dealing with it.
 

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YOU should call CAMH for YOU, not her

petitelover said:
Over my years of hobbying, I befriended several SP's. One is in terrible shape. In her mind, life is crumbling around her. Other than trying to give her good advice, I am not any type of medical professional or counselor and feel she is in need of some professional help. She desperately wants to get out of the biz but has deep emotional and self worth issues. Can anyone refer a licensed counselor or Psychiatrist that could help her? I think she would prefer a woman and since she does not have a car, on a bus or subway route is a must. Sappy PL will probably foot the bill for her so no need for OHIP. Post or PM if you wish. Thanks.

Maybe YOU should consider going to CAMH to seek out why YOU are taking these steps !!

Thats what I read into this ridiculous thread.

If SHE wants help, SHE can get it.

The real issue here is why you are an enabler,

Truth hurts pal, seek a doctor yourself first.This is real deep,

good luck
 

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I agree with Hank

Sounds like codependancy. One of my issues as well.

Co-dependents have low self-esteem and look for anything outside of themselves to make them feel better. They find it hard to “be themselves.” Some try to feel better through alcohol, drugs or nicotine - and become addicted. Others may develop compulsive behaviors like workaholism, gambling, or indiscriminate sexual activity.

They have good intentions. They try to take care of a person who is experiencing difficulty, but the caretaking becomes compulsive and defeating. Co-dependents often take on a martyr’s role and become “benefactors” to an individual in need. A wife may cover for her alcoholic husband; a mother may make excuses for a truant child; or a father may “pull some strings” to keep his child from suffering the consequences of delinquent behavior.

The problem is that these repeated rescue attempts allow the needy individual to continue on a destructive course and to become even more dependent on the unhealthy caretaking of the “benefactor.” As this reliance increases, the co-dependent develops a sense of reward and satisfaction from “being needed.” When the caretaking becomes compulsive, the co-dependent feels choiceless and helpless in the relationship, but is unable to break away from the cycle of behavior that causes it. Co-dependents view themselves as victims and are attracted to that same weakness in the love and friendship relationships.
 

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Sounds like codependancy. One of my issues as well.

Co-dependents have low self-esteem and look for anything outside of themselves to make them feel better. They find it hard to “be themselves.” Some try to feel better through alcohol, drugs or nicotine - and become addicted. Others may develop compulsive behaviors like workaholism, gambling, or indiscriminate sexual activity.

They have good intentions. They try to take care of a person who is experiencing difficulty, but the caretaking becomes compulsive and defeating. Co-dependents often take on a martyr’s role and become “benefactors” to an individual in need. A wife may cover for her alcoholic husband; a mother may make excuses for a truant child; or a father may “pull some strings” to keep his child from suffering the consequences of delinquent behavior.

The problem is that these repeated rescue attempts allow the needy individual to continue on a destructive course and to become even more dependent on the unhealthy caretaking of the “benefactor.” As this reliance increases, the co-dependent develops a sense of reward and satisfaction from “being needed.” When the caretaking becomes compulsive, the co-dependent feels choiceless and helpless in the relationship, but is unable to break away from the cycle of behavior that causes it. Co-dependents view themselves as victims and are attracted to that same weakness in the love and friendship relationships.
Damn !

Did you ever say that nicer than me !!!!


Big props, thx
 

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Sounds like codependancy. One of my issues as well.

Co-dependents have low self-esteem and look for anything outside of themselves to make them feel better. They find it hard to “be themselves.” Some try to feel better through alcohol, drugs or nicotine - and become addicted. Others may develop compulsive behaviors like workaholism, gambling, or indiscriminate sexual activity.

They have good intentions. They try to take care of a person who is experiencing difficulty, but the caretaking becomes compulsive and defeating. Co-dependents often take on a martyr’s role and become “benefactors” to an individual in need. A wife may cover for her alcoholic husband; a mother may make excuses for a truant child; or a father may “pull some strings” to keep his child from suffering the consequences of delinquent behavior.

The problem is that these repeated rescue attempts allow the needy individual to continue on a destructive course and to become even more dependent on the unhealthy caretaking of the “benefactor.” As this reliance increases, the co-dependent develops a sense of reward and satisfaction from “being needed.” When the caretaking becomes compulsive, the co-dependent feels choiceless and helpless in the relationship, but is unable to break away from the cycle of behavior that causes it. Co-dependents view themselves as victims and are attracted to that same weakness in the love and friendship relationships.
This is wise cautionary advice. However, not everyone who seeks to help another is a co-dependent, nor do I believe that is what you mean to imply.

It is always dangerous to go much further than this and drift into the world of unlicenced online practice of psychology.

Petitelover sounds like he is concerned for someone and unlike a great many people is actually making an effort to help. Moreover, he seems to be doing so in an appropriately minimalist manner by attempting to find out what mental health resources are available and whether there were any recommenced practitioners whose names he could pass on. He has already indicated that at that point it is really up to her. If this qualifies as co-dependency - it's pretty minimal.
 

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Aardvark154 said:
This is wise cautionary advice. However, not everyone who seeks to help another is a co-dependent, nor do I believe that is what you mean to imply.

It is always dangerous to go much further than this and drift into the world of unlicenced online practice of psychology.

Petitelover sounds like he is concerned for someone and unlike a great many people is actually making an effort to help. Moreover, he seems to be doing so in an appropriately minimalist manner by attempting to find out what mental health resources are available and whether there were any recommenced practitioners whose names he could pass on. He has already indicated that at that point it is really up to her. If this qualifies as co-dependency - it's pretty minimal.
I agree with you. My intention was not to imply codependancy, though after a reread, it does sound that way. My apologies. God knows I am no psychologist.

I guess my point is that there is nothing wrong with helping another person, it is when it becomes an obsession and one starts living their life for the sake of others that problems occur. Nothing more than that.:eek:
 

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I would recommend a psychotherapist as opposed to a psychiatrist or psychologist. If you do some searching on the internet you will find some referral services which are free or for a small fee. These services have a pool of psychotherapists to choose from. Your friend goes to the first appointment and talks a bit about what she sees as the problem. She gets referred to someone who can deal with that sort of problem and would likely be a good fit on a personal level.

www.therapytoronto.ca
http://www.therapistfinder.ca/index.html
http://psychotherapyontario.org/site/index.cfm?DSP=Chapter&ID=1

Good luck.
 

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Hank Reardon said:
Maybe YOU should consider going to CAMH to seek out why YOU are taking these steps !!

Thats what I read into this ridiculous thread.

If SHE wants help, SHE can get it.

The real issue here is why you are an enabler,

Truth hurts pal, seek a doctor yourself first.This is real deep,

good luck

I should consider help because I want to help direct someone that is unstable to get help? Interesting position. I guess all the people that give money to worthy charities to help people should seek counseling. The people that give food to local food banks to feed the homeless must need counseling along with all of the other good hearted souls that work in charities with the only payment being the knowledge that they tried to make someone that is less fortunate better off. Those people must all be completely maniacal in your world.

I submit you are the one that needs help. Selfish, self centered, narrow-minded people that don't give a shit like you are what this world needs less of.
 

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Sounds like codependancy. One of my issues as well.

Co-dependents have low self-esteem and look for anything outside of themselves to make them feel better. They find it hard to “be themselves.” Some try to feel better through alcohol, drugs or nicotine - and become addicted. Others may develop compulsive behaviors like workaholism, gambling, or indiscriminate sexual activity.

They have good intentions. They try to take care of a person who is experiencing difficulty, but the caretaking becomes compulsive and defeating. Co-dependents often take on a martyr’s role and become “benefactors” to an individual in need. A wife may cover for her alcoholic husband; a mother may make excuses for a truant child; or a father may “pull some strings” to keep his child from suffering the consequences of delinquent behavior.

The problem is that these repeated rescue attempts allow the needy individual to continue on a destructive course and to become even more dependent on the unhealthy caretaking of the “benefactor.” As this reliance increases, the co-dependent develops a sense of reward and satisfaction from “being needed.” When the caretaking becomes compulsive, the co-dependent feels choiceless and helpless in the relationship, but is unable to break away from the cycle of behavior that causes it. Co-dependents view themselves as victims and are attracted to that same weakness in the love and friendship relationships.
Sorry A1 - no codependency issues whatsoever. All I was looking for is someone to refer her to since she needs help. Isn't that what a friend is supposed to do?
 

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There is many ways of seeing one one way is to check in at CAHM and get on their emergency program

the other is to see your family doctor and get a refferal

The other is to call 211 canada or the menalth health help line.
 

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I guess my point is that there is nothing wrong with helping another person, it is when it becomes an obsession and one starts living their life for the sake of others that problems occur. Nothing more than that.:eek:
I certainly don't live my life for the sake of others but plead guilty to trying to help people in need. Isn't that what you are supposed to do - help people in need if you can? I am very fortunate that I have the ability to donate time and finances to charities. As far as my friends - yes, I do help if I can and if working on getting the name of someone that may help her takes time, I will spend that time. If she does not want the help, it is her loss and I am not going to beat myself up over it. At least I gave her the opportunity to get the help I think she needs. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.
 

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petitelover said:
I certainly don't live my life for the sake of others but plead guilty to trying to help people in need. Isn't that what you are supposed to do - help people in need if you can? I am very fortunate that I have the ability to donate time and finances to charities. As far as my friends - yes, I do help if I can and if working on getting the name of someone that may help her takes time, I will spend that time. If she does not want the help, it is her loss and I am not going to beat myself up over it. At least I gave her the opportunity to get the help I think she needs. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.
Sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders my friend.
 

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petitelover said:
I certainly don't live my life for the sake of others but plead guilty to trying to help people in need. Isn't that what you are supposed to do - help people in need if you can? I am very fortunate that I have the ability to donate time and finances to charities. As far as my friends - yes, I do help if I can and if working on getting the name of someone that may help her takes time, I will spend that time. If she does not want the help, it is her loss and I am not going to beat myself up over it. At least I gave her the opportunity to get the help I think she needs. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.

Here is some advice from a fifth grader.

Helping someone like you are attempting to is a hinderence , not help.

ENABLER is the term !

You doing what you are doing ( and here to boot ) is a joke. You are the one in need of serious therapy. YOu need to figure out why you wish to chase broken birds and fix their wings !!

This is the best advice you will ever get , but you are too trapped to realize , I am the one who is showing you a key to your liberation.

Your answer to me about 5thgrade bs , shows how deep you are into this chick.
 

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Obviously, late getting into this thread. Questor, Psychotherapists aren't the answer. They are not regulated by any college. Anybody on terb could put out a shingle and say they are a psychotherapist. CAMH can be an intimidating place to go. I saw a shrink once at CAMH and thought that I was in the movie One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest. There College street offices are dingy, depressing, and right out of the 70's. I have had 30 years experience with mental illness---if the patient doesn't want to help herself their is nothing you can do about it no matter how hard you try.
 
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