Protesters outside several conservative SC justices residences

Valcazar

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The left is far more violent always have been. Roe v Wade was unconstitutional. Even your boy Biden is on record as saying as such. Abortion should be decided by the democratic process. What are you afraid of?
Your first sentence is comedy gold.
I don't think Biden ever said Roe v Wade was unconstitutional. Almost 50 years ago, he did say he thought it went too far, and about 40 years ago he was saying he would support an amendment to overturn it.
His position moved over time.
 
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mandrill

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The left is far more violent always have been. Roe v Wade was unconstitutional. Even your boy Biden is on record as saying as such. Abortion should be decided by the democratic process. What are you afraid of?
Kirky, how could Roe v Wade be "unconstitutional" when it's a decision of the USSC which decides if something is or isn't constitutional? And why would I give a fuck what Biden thinks?

Abortion and other fundamental constitutional rights should not be "decided by the democratic process". And yes, I know that Fox News is saying this to run with the Alito decision and you repeat everything that Fox News says.

If abortion should be "decided by the democratic process", how about the 2nd Amendment? How about the 14th Amendment? Should there even be a constitution or a Canadian Charter of Rights? Then - Hey, Kirky! - EVERYTHING can be decided by the democratic process and your buddy Biden could pass federal legislation to seize all firearms in the US? You want that, Kirky?

Do you think that Alabama in the1870's could have re-legislated race-based slavery and kept Blacks enslaved for instance? I want your thoughts on this because Blacks are free today because of the Constitution.

Now for today's exercise, I want you to do the following stuff:

1. Prove that today's "Left is far more violent always have been". I'm not really sure what you're trying to say there, but you can explain it and prove it and we can chat about it. I'm betting that you're going to rant about BLM and ignore January 6 and I'm looking forward to you doing that.

2. Tell me if you think there should be a Constitution and what it should protect. You can just link Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carson video clips, since you cut and paste whatever they say. Saving you a little time here.

Look forward to seeing what you write.
 

Dutch Oven

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It's constitutionally protected, Kirky.

Just like your asshole, anti abortion buddies protested outside abortion clinics and harassed and threatened the patients and staff. You righties are all about the fucking constitition. So suck it the fuck up when the left does it too.
So, is https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1507 unconstitional? Isn't that the difference? Not all public places are open to public protests.
 

Dutch Oven

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My posts #28 and #33. You're a little late to the party, Dutch.
You're right, I hadn't read those posts. Now that I have, is your "less trolly" position that the protests are ok because they are only expressions of outrage (about a decision that has yet to be rendered)? Or have you come around to the more rational position that it's fine for people to protest, just not at the residences of the justices?
 

Dutch Oven

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Kirky, how could Roe v Wade be "unconstitutional" when it's a decision of the USSC which decides if something is or isn't constitutional?
On that logic, it will be unconstitutional if SCOTUS comes out with a new ruling finding Roe v. Wade to have been wrongly decided and the result of that decision to have been unconstitutional.
 

mandrill

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On that logic, it will be unconstitutional if SCOTUS comes out with a new ruling finding Roe v. Wade to have been wrongly decided and the result of that decision to have been unconstitutional.
Yes. You stack the Court with 5 religious, anti choice wackos and you get that. And then we'll see how it all plays out when doctors abort fetuses anyway when the pregnancy is non viable and the woman's life is in danger. And other stuff like that. Strap in for a wild ride. It ain't over.

If this bench overturns 50 year old law in Roe, a court in 10 years can bring it back again. That's no way to run a justice system, but it's going to be America for as long as benches are stacked with judges with strongly-held non mainstream opinions on highly controversial issues.

BTW, name the only 3 other countries in the world who totally ban abortions the way the Red states are currently banning them.
 

Dutch Oven

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Yes. You stack the Court with 5 religious, anti choice wackos and you get that. And then we'll see how it all plays out when doctors abort fetuses anyway when the pregnancy is non viable and the woman's life is in danger. And other stuff like that. Strap in for a wild ride. It ain't over.

Or if you stack the court with 5 unaccountable, elitist, social engineers you get the opposite result. Your point?

Your implicit support for the commitment of people not to accept the decision of this court is curious, given how much you railed against Trump's determination to seek a different outcome from the courts to his election litigation. More liberal hypocrisy? Conservatives should respect the legal process, but for liberals It's never over until you get your way, because you're righteous?

I actually think your predictions are grossly overstated. The vast majority of states will continue to permit abortions, at least in defined circumstances (which will inevitably include where the mother's life is endangered by the pregnancy). Only a few states will criminalize abortion. None will criminalize citizens who leave the state to have them. The only people who will choose to risk jail over this will be political operatives. It's pretty easy for social agencies to drive people without means to nearby states to get the procedure.

If this bench overturns 50 year old law in Roe, a court in 10 years can bring it back again. That's no way to run a justice system, but it's going to be America for as long as benches are stacked with judges with strongly-held non mainstream opinions on highly controversial issues.

BTW, name the only 3 other countries in the world who totally ban abortions the way the Red states are currently banning them.
There is no better way to measure what "mainstream opinion" is than looking to who the public elected. They elected Trump, and knew that he would appoint conservative justices to the court. That's democracy.

I don't want to make this into a research project for myself, but is it really true that the fundamentalist Islamic states permit abortions? I've never made a study of it, but it would seem to run counter to what Islam teaches.
 

mjg1

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They should protest outside Mar a logo
They should also protest outside of old crow Mitch McConnell's house, he's the real person behind this right-wing court. If left up to dumb Donald if would've tried to appoint Jeanine Pirro, Rudy Giuliani and any other clown he saw on Fox fake news.
 

K Douglas

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K Douglas

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Kirky, how could Roe v Wade be "unconstitutional" when it's a decision of the USSC which decides if something is or isn't constitutional? And why would I give a fuck what Biden thinks?

Abortion and other fundamental constitutional rights should not be "decided by the democratic process". And yes, I know that Fox News is saying this to run with the Alito decision and you repeat everything that Fox News says.

If abortion should be "decided by the democratic process", how about the 2nd Amendment? How about the 14th Amendment? Should there even be a constitution or a Canadian Charter of Rights? Then - Hey, Kirky! - EVERYTHING can be decided by the democratic process and your buddy Biden could pass federal legislation to seize all firearms in the US? You want that, Kirky?

Do you think that Alabama in the1870's could have re-legislated race-based slavery and kept Blacks enslaved for instance? I want your thoughts on this because Blacks are free today because of the Constitution.

Now for today's exercise, I want you to do the following stuff:

1. Prove that today's "Left is far more violent always have been". I'm not really sure what you're trying to say there, but you can explain it and prove it and we can chat about it. I'm betting that you're going to rant about BLM and ignore January 6 and I'm looking forward to you doing that.

2. Tell me if you think there should be a Constitution and what it should protect. You can just link Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carson video clips, since you cut and paste whatever they say. Saving you a little time here.

Look forward to seeing what you write.
The Supreme Court can make a flawed decision that doesn't uphold the Constitution. That's what happens for instance when you put activists on the bench.
Roe v. Wade should be overturned. Abortion rights should be up to the individual states to decide. Through the democratic process.
 

K Douglas

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They reported the exact events that took place by the Anti-abortion movements, including arson, murders, bombing and other violent crimes.
Would love to see any evidence / links that dispute them!!
Wikipedia is biased.
 

mandrill

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The Supreme Court can make a flawed decision that doesn't uphold the Constitution. That's what happens for instance when you put activists on the bench.
Roe v. Wade should be overturned. Abortion rights should be up to the individual states to decide. Through the democratic process.
What does your first sentence actually mean, Kirk?

Is it a punctuation issue?
 

y2kmark

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I suppose like the way election workers, secretaries of state, school board members hounded and threatened by the new brown shirts, and most conservatives didn't feel it a big deal. Let's stop this for all.
Most people don't ssend time defending rights they aren't using. Depends on whose ox is being gored...
 
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