Private Deals with SP's?

[fuji]

"Pimp", "whore", etc., there are lots of words for people in this business that carry with them the social stigma that our society imposes on this business.

The only thing that separates the word "pimp" from "agency owner" is the attitude of the person speaking it towards the person doing it.

 

[WhaWhaWha]

Now, we should say for the record, the lady is an independant, but does use Aphrodisia's to book and for transport and security. Does this happen alot? Do the clients really ask the lady to give up her protection and security and peace of mind? If so, why? So he could spend less money and undervalue her, or is it a control thing? Does he think that without her protections and booking services, he can take advantage of her? Not looking to flame, just curious. Why would someone do that?

Allison

Spoken like a pimp.

The guy can decide if he wants to call an indie and the girl can decide if she wants to pay an agency fee. Protection or not its up to the individuals. Sometimes the agency fee amounts to substantial savings for one or both parties.

Ask yourself these questions...
Is your SP free to work outside of your agency?
If your SP works outside of the agency and books outside of the agency is she welcome to book within the agency again?
If she books outside the agency with a client you found for her does she get to keep all the earnings for herself?

If you answered NO to any of these questions you may be a pimp more concerned about "control" than your SPs security.

By the way where do you find the time to submit posts here AND flag all the indies on Craigslist? And is that for THEIR security and safety?"

Just wondering

Does this happen alot?

Alot is actually two words "a lot"

 

[Moderator]

Thread has been edited.Reference to personal information has been removed, TERB does not permit personal info to be posted .

 

[Hiding]

The way I see it, I hire an agency to work for me not the other way around.

JessieMae, you're a smart lady A good agency (ie. one that is going to keep their best girls for long periods of time) is very likely going to be one that takes the attitude of a mutually beneficial situation, and not one of ownership or possession of the girl's time or money.

 

[Never Compromised]

Well jessie, while there are no physical threats involved, there is coercion. For eg: it is easy to say: if you book off one more time, or if you don't see this customer, or whatever, don't expect to be on the top of the call list or don't expect to get any shifts next week.....now of course they have the option of going indy but if they have a bad rap, what other agency would hire them? (this is the same as any other employer/employee situation).

Most "quality" agencies allow the girls the right to refuse to see a client, and they never "force" a girl to provide x service. I can't think of a single "quality" agency that forces the girls to provide unprotected sex or greek.

If the agencies were coercing the girls as you have suggested, I have no doubt that the police would be far more involved.

Are there some "agencies" that should be shut down? Absolutely.

But that is not what this thread is about.

It is about girls scooping clients, or clients trying to cut a deal on the side.

As I have said, the clients are the agency clients, and scooping is tacky.

 

[train]

What the hell is wrong with you Fuji?
.

No one really knows.

There is only one answer to your question though. Guys do it to save money. Fairly simple.

There is a high end agency in Montreal called FKS. It's also run by women. They actually had a policy whereby they encouraged the girls to book directly with any client they had seen 3 times and were comfortable with.

In my particular experience I have never asked to deal directly with the sp but have been asked by the sp in about 20% of the cases.

 

[fuji]

What the hell is wrong with you Fuji? Attacking a female in this post the way you did is reprehensible. How dare you?

LOL!

I brought up a reasonable question

I've put a reasonable question to you twice now and you refuse to answer it. Why would an independent not have a driver, and someone who knows where she is? You keep saying you provide extra security. What extra security????

P.S. This board is supposed to be sp/sp'a and hobbyist friendly. This is not the impression I have gotten just for asking a question.

You sound manipulative and controlling to me, and apparently to a few others too, that is why you have not received the same friendly reception that most agency owners, SP's, and customers have received.

 

[danmand]

No one really knows.

There is only one answer to your question though. Guys do it to save money. Fairly simple.

There is a high end agency in Montreal called FKS. It's also run by women. They actually had a policy whereby they encouraged the girls to book directly with any client they had seen 3 times and were comfortable with.

In my particular experience I have never asked to deal directly with the sp but have been asked by the sp in about 20% of the cases.

The answer is that there is nothing wrong with Fuji. He gives a
response in the form of an analysis. Some don't like his analysis.

Clients do not always do it to save money. They do it to
cut out the middleman, for either their own or the SP's benefit.

 

[enduser1]

At a 250 per hour, the lady gets 180 with Aphrodisia's.

Really, does she pay for the driver herself?
EU

 

[enduser1]

That 180 is hers. As an example. She does pay the driver, but it comes out of the 70, not her 180. Not bad huh? It's what the lady feel is appropriate and we are in no mood to rob them of more. They are the ones that have to see the client after all. Some agencies charge 100 and up per client to the lady. YIKES!!! Obviously, we are not getting rich. Money is not the sole reason we do it as I tried to explain, but was called a liar.

Allison

Sorry you posted before I could edit! You are on top of this thread.

I would think an agency would pay her $125.00. The driver with crazy gas prices $35.00 and keep the remaining $90.00. But I guess I am out of touch here.

Also, I think guys trying to cut out the agency is as common as GIRLS trying to rip off the agency. It is the cost of doing business. I mean there are a lot of girls who if they like a regular will try to cut him out of the agency's business. A lot of girls figure, "look I see him for $250.00 outcall and take the subway. It s like seing one less guy a night and the added bonus of keeping all of the money."

EU

 

[fuji]

Independents plainly do use drivers, and even when the independents work through an agency they pay for the driver. The real breakdown is this:

SP earns $250, pays $20 to the driver and $50 to the agency, keeps $180 in her pocket. Or maybe it's $30 to the driver and $40 to the agency, but you get the point.

Independents can and do use drivers, can and do hire phone operators, can and do pool their resources to keep one driver busy, so all this stuff about how it's not possible without an agency is just a load of bullshit.

Allison, I find you incredibly manipulative.

For the records agencies do provide a very valuable service, which is they invest in building a client list, and it really is an investment--it takes time, money, and hard work to wind up with a loyal list of customers.

At the end of the day SP's pay the agency for access to that client list. That is the fundamental basis of the transaction. Independent SP's can pool together to hire drivers and use phone services, but at the point they also start pooling together to build a common client list what you have is an agency--having a client list, a brand, is practically the definition of an agency.

What is so threatening to AC in this situation is the prospect of that client list, the sole source of AC's value-add in this situation, being poached by the escorts and/or clients negotiating side deals.

It is not out of love for the escorts that agency owners get so pissed off by this, all this talk of safety is a smoke screen, agencies do NOT add value in the safety arena.

It is because in poaching away a client via a direct deal an SP is to some small extent threatening the primary value the agency brings to the table, a direct threat to her financial interests.

 

[smylee52]

Take a breath

DING DING DING. My bullshit detector just went through the roof.

Hey Fuji . Maybe its time for your shit for brains detector to go off .

You invective laced attack has become very distasteful and certainly way out of proportion to the original
question . I don't want to know what your problem is but I gotta tell you you are coming across as less than charismatic individual.

 

[fuji]

You see ladies to get your rocks off and treat them like garbage the whole time.

LOL! Classic manipulative pimp talk.

People around here have eyes to see and read what has been written, and can judge for themselves which of us is likely to treat ladies like garbage.

 

[tboy]

As many times as I've butted heads with Fuji in the threads I have to side with him on this one. His "ding ding ding bs detector post was bang on and while maybe wasn't the most polite way of saying things, he did make some valid points.

His analysis of the client list/sp situation is bang on. THAT is what any business's most valuable asset is. One can hire more ladies if they quit, they can hire more phone people, or drivers but you cannot easily replace a loyal customer.

As for security etc. I personally have driven for indies and yes, I stick around the area, wait for their "ok" call, and if they asked me to, call them with a 10 minute warning. Everything an agency driver does...BUT (and this is a huge mega BBW omar the tent maker but) not all agency drivers stick around after the "ok" call. I have had a lady wait up to 30 mins for the driver to return to pick her up.

So basically Allison, you're saying you either have one driver per lady, or you aren't that busy?

I shall wait and see what the situation is when you have more than two ladies working at any given time.

For the record: YOU started this thread, do not get all pissy because you don't get the answers you were fishing for. Some will agree with you, some won't. EOS what's that saying? When you put "it" out there, you have to take the bad with the good......

In addition: With over 30 yrs in marketing related fields, dealing directly with current and potential customers, it is my reccommedation that it is NOT a good idea to insult your (possible) customers and make comments like "advertising on terb is not such a good idea".....

Comments like that will only harm your business not help it.

 

[fuji]

Yes, they do have eyes and can judge. Womanizing Slimeball is it? hmm, wonder if reading any reviews you have done would indicate disrespect of the ladies with obnoxious comments about her worth or looks.
LOL
Allison

Go for it.

 

[fuji]

I guess the rebuttal will never be forthcoming. AC has been banned from terb for threatening to expose someone`s real name.

That is exactly the sort of manipulative, controlling behavior that was so evident on this thread, in my opinion.

It would be wise for clients and SP`s alike to avoid these people.

 

[S.C. Joe]

True, the ones who go around making all these "rules" like their ladies are not to exchange phone # or they get let go are company's that I will not be calling anymore.

And not because I want their phone #, I live too far away for it to do me much good. Its just because they are the controlling type.

 

[hunter001]

my friend believes you can negotiate with agencies over ther fees?

also he believes you can negotiate with independant SPs even though it says on some of their sites fees are non-negotiable....

i want him to read some of your replies...

You can try... I don't really want an unhappy SP having a session with me...

 

[fuji]

Good luck negotiating fees on a one-off. Either take the list price or call somewhere else. It's a competitive market, if they're over-charging, go elsewhere. If everywhere else charges the same rate... guess they weren't overcharging.

On the other hand if you're planning to buy in volume they'll probably negotiate with you. So, most agencies will negotiate the price of a multi-hour session with you, and if you had a good relationship with them, they might give you a discount if you sent a LOT of repeat business their way. Some even have a policy of giving long-standing customers a discount ("TOG inner circle").

If you are not a longstanding customer forget it, if you try and negotiate the rate for a 1 hour session with them the first time you call them you go in the "asshole" file and they probably block your number after that.

 

[CapitalGuy]

For what it's worth

.......my thoughts are that Allison is quite the ball breaker and probably a closet man-hater. She goes right for those jugular insults that would make a man look horrible and violent, and instantly put him on the defensive, rather than address his arguments. Very weak debate technique that makes her manipulative tendency quite obvious. Fuji said nothing that would make him appear violent.

Fuji's all right. Allison is a hyper bitch, whose agency will never get any of my cash.

To boot, the lady from Exquisite was wise to bow out of the thread as she too was going to get nothing out of it but lost business.

Fun thread though!