Private Deals with SP's?

[luv4lust]

If you think there is any similarity to operating as an independent; especially one who as you say, receives one appointment/day and on the lower end of the rate scale; has any correlation to running a busy, successful agency;

Then:

Your correct, you don't know anything.

Vanessa

Moderator removed personal info from this posting,,,, something that is not tolerated by TERB

i choose to see one client a day i don't like being a take a number escort {sorry for having some class} i also choose to charge what i charge because i don't feel like any man should have to put out 1/2 a weeks pay to get laid {sorry for having some thoughtfulness for the client }
and sorry to inform you i do have a job i work 6 days a week at escorting is something i do on the side darling. BTW who said i use my home for my calls{you don't know me or where i see people so don't assume cause in the end it just makes you look like an ass}
i'm done with this thread
seems like the agencies are out for blood now

 

[bestillmehard]

If you think there is any similarity to operating as an independent; especially one who as you say, receives one appointment/day and on the lower end of the rate scale; has any correlation to running a busy, successful agency;

Then:

Your correct, you don't know anything.

Vanessa

Moderator removed personal info from this posting,,,, something that is not tolerated by TERB

This comment just cost you a few customers. Id quit now Vanessa.
And LUV....never be sorry for being you.

 

[Never Compromised]

An agency is first and foremost a business. Some people are good at fucking, but could not run a business to save their lives. Some people are good at running a business, but don't want to fuck strangers.

There is a wide spectrum of agencies in Toronto. Everything from co-op models, to well run professional marketing agencies, to crappy exploitive "pimp" agencies.

There are legitimate reasons for an agency to charge what they do. Having an office, hiring a phone girl, advertising for clients, advertising for new staff etc are not inexpensive. Good agencies have drivers, not just for transportation but also for security. And while most members of TERB would never act in a manner that is disrespectful to the women, there are certainly assholes out there. One only has to read the media or the SPOC site.

Some women can handle the stress of dealing with assholes, running a business, fucking strange men, and doing it all.

Just like there are some people that are comfortable owning their own plumbing business, and some people that only want to be plumbers and not have the headache of having responsibility.

If you don't like seeing agency girls, use indy women. If you don't like lots of different girls having your contact info, use an agency.

But to try to lure a woman away from an agency is tacky, IMHO. Sure, everyone wants to save a few bucks, but if that is what you want to do, go on Craigs list and hire someone in your price range.

Similarly, if you are a SP, the clients are the agency's clients. You have shown up to provide service, but you have not invested ANY money in finding or keep that client. You have not had to deal with that client if something is not to the client's liking, and you have had the safety of having a driver provided.

If you want to see an agency client "on the side", do the honourable thing and leave the agency, and go indy.

It is tacky on both sides to cut out an agency.

 

[Never Compromised]

I would say you are the one making ignorant comments. The lady is better able to protect herself by fielding the phone calls herself because she is the only one that will be harmed if something goes wrong and would therefore be more concerned about not accepting potentially bad clients.

I disagree. Most girls see the $$$$$, not the potential danger. And once they are in and the date goes bad, they are in deep doo doo.

 

[Papi Chulo]

in the last 2 weeks of advertising,Terb has amounted to 10% of the biz.

You have no way of verifying that. I never mention terb when booking or with the ladies.

 

[skypilot]

If you think there is any similarity to operating as an independent; especially one who as you say, receives one appointment/day and on the lower end of the rate scale; has any correlation to running a busy, successful agency;

Then:

Your correct, you don't know anything.

Vanessa

Moderator removed personal info from this posting,,,, something that is not tolerated by TERB

Ohh, arn't you getting catty! I think it funny how agencies feel the need to defend themselves so much.
I avoid agencies unless they have some super-fantastic girl (rarely happens)and much prefer to see well reviewed indies.
While agencies allow new girls to break into the business, generally I view them as nothing more than pimps.

 

[S.C. Joe]

Don't know about in Toronto but over here some young lady did get murdered on a date and she was working with a company.

The guy threw her out a second story window and the driver was outside on the street in a car and did not even know what happen.

There is no way a company could have stop that from happening.

I always thought the big reason ladies join a company is to get more dates and less work. No answering PM or calls from guy's, just kick back and let the company find the dates for them.

Safety is a crap shot, no company can claim a date will be safer if they book it for them.

 

[bestillmehard]

LOL. Jeff teaches every single lady to take the biggest guy down with just one twist, pull, grab or shot

Allison

Unless that "shot" is coming from a gun Jeff has given the lady, I wouldnt count on it. Albeit a nice thought.

 

[LordLoki]

Well must admit I can only see a few advantages from a security point of view:

1) Client has no phone number to trace
2) Client knows that someone at least knows where provider is.
3) Client knows his window of opportunity closes after a few hrs.
4) Even if client sees car and gets licence it does not lead directly to the provider.
5) Someone with at least a little experience does the most basic rudimentary checks
From a client’s point of view I see:
1) Almost certainly someone will answer the phone and a provider will be available
2) If something goes wrong at least a contact exists that has been around for a while
3) They take credit cards!
4) If the agency is reliable makes for a simple transaction.

From the provider’s point of view I see:
1) Actual $/hr increasing because of eliminating all the time spent on the phone / email / txt.
2) Reduction of the time stroking on the phone or emails.
3) Since it is not necessary to take calls etc to book future appointments a much more relaxed social life.

So depends on needs and willingness to deal with the secondary activities. I use a maid service to clean my places, so guess I would want an agency if I was a woman and a provider.

 

[LordLoki]

As an indy (and agency girl before that), I'm going to offer my 2 cents.

However, I have felt safer as an indy than I ever did with an agency...

Do you honestly think a DRIVER is going to be able to protect me if something goes wrong on a call? ...

I much prefer the opportunity to chat with clients beforehand, ask for references, check out their posts, etc. my business, my rules...

I trust MY instincts, not the instincts of someone willing to put me in a dangerous situation just for the sake of making a few bucks.

Someone ALWAYS knows where I am, what time my call is starting and what time I'm finished. ALWAYS. And it's someone who actually gives a shit about my well-being.

Ok, my little rant is done now.

Diana
xoxo

Amazon that is sort of like a mermaid saying life jackets have no value.

You are probably one of the most competent, athletic, and bright ladies I have ever met. Of course you can take care of yourself. You are not an average person. You free climb for Pete’s sake!

Drivers are about as intimidating as stop signs and about as useful. BUT they do keep sneaky clients well away from your licence plate number.

LL

 

[tboy]

Thank you sweetie!

Diana
xoxo

Yer welcome babydoll.....

 

[LordLoki]

Yer welcome babydoll.....

You are so fickle!!!!!!!

 

[tboy]

You are so fickle!!!!!!!

LOL yeah, ain't I???

 

[LordLoki]

LOL yeah, ain't I???

Hey you have opinions about everything, do you think a lobotomy would ruin Esco’s sense of humour or improve it?

LL

 

[tboy]

You're SOMETHING alright.............not sure if I would have used the word "fickle" though

Diana
xoxo

Better to be sumthin than nuttin' I guess......

Better a frontal lobotomy than a lobo in front of me.....

 

[LordLoki]

I feel so guilty for helping hijack the thread. It was so close to 100 to !

 

[smylee52]

Client security

Me and a friend were looking at Amazon_Woman 's website when I suggested I should make an appointment with the Amazon . My friend made me promise to give her a call before and after the session to make sure I made it out alive (LOL) .

 

[fuji]

This thread was started to understand why some clients clients try so hard to remove a lady from those things that keep her safe.

DING DING DING. My bullshit detector just went through the roof.

You do NOT provide any safety that an independent could not and would not and does not provide for herself. You provide a driver, and someone who knows where the escort is. An independent too would have a driver, and someone who knows where she is. Why wouldn't she? Do you assume that independents are all crazy people who fail to take basic precautions?

You don't even pay for the driver. The escort does, in any case, so you provide NO ADDITIONAL SECURITY.

Next bit of bullshit, this is not a case of men luring escorts away from the safety of an agency. Do you know how many times escorts have slipped me their phone numbers? ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Why do guys ask? Because half the time escorts volunteer the information in the first place. It is SO COMMON.

You know what? It even happens in INCALL situations: I can't count the number of times incall SP's have given me their number and told me if I want to set something up outside then call them.

Your problem is not that customers are luring away your escorts, it's quite the opposite--it's your escorts that are luring away your customers.

Next bit of bullshit...

Who do you think is in a better position to judge how safe and reliable a client is? The agency phone operator who has talked to the client for 2 minutes on the phone, or the escort who has been to the guys home and spent the last hour talking to him face to face?

Upthread Jessie was talking about how after awhile you develop an asshole detector that kicks in after minimal communications with a client. HOW MUCH BETTER is that detector when you see someone face to face and you spend an hour with them?

Agencies provide the following services, period:

-- A client list
-- A reputation (or not) for screening escorts for quality
-- Someone who co-ordinates driver and phone booker

That last one, all the agency provides is the person who co-ordinates it. It's the escort who pays for it. There is no value add there from the agency other than the co-ordination.

I do this for another reason. Without someone like me who gives a damn, some of these ladies might have some problems.

BS, you do it to run a business and make a living. The word "pimp" does come to mind when I read the above phrase though. You do it for the ladies, because you love them so much, because without you they would be so screwed? Come on. Classic pimp talk.

We'd have more respect for you if you instead just said you do it to run a business and provide a valuable service.

 

[JessiMae]

An agency is first and foremost a business. Some people are good at fucking, but could not run a business to save their lives. Some people are good at running a business, but don't want to fuck strangers.

There is a wide spectrum of agencies in Toronto. Everything from co-op models, to well run professional marketing agencies, to crappy exploitive "pimp" agencies.

There are legitimate reasons for an agency to charge what they do. Having an office, hiring a phone girl, advertising for clients, advertising for new staff etc are not inexpensive. Good agencies have drivers, not just for transportation but also for security. And while most members of TERB would never act in a manner that is disrespectful to the women, there are certainly assholes out there. One only has to read the media or the SPOC site.

Some women can handle the stress of dealing with assholes, running a business, fucking strange men, and doing it all.

Just like there are some people that are comfortable owning their own plumbing business, and some people that only want to be plumbers and not have the headache of having responsibility.

If you don't like seeing agency girls, use indy women. If you don't like lots of different girls having your contact info, use an agency.

But to try to lure a woman away from an agency is tacky, IMHO. Sure, everyone wants to save a few bucks, but if that is what you want to do, go on Craigs list and hire someone in your price range.

Similarly, if you are a SP, the clients are the agency's clients. You have shown up to provide service, but you have not invested ANY money in finding or keep that client. You have not had to deal with that client if something is not to the client's liking, and you have had the safety of having a driver provided.

If you want to see an agency client "on the side", do the honourable thing and leave the agency, and go indy.

It is tacky on both sides to cut out an agency.

Exactly.

To me (and this is just my opinion) a pimp is someone who coerces, takes all the money, and does not allow a lady to work on her own free will. Lady does not want to see 5 clients a day? With a pimp the response is typically tough luck and a hard beating. Lady wants to leave and work another job? Tough luck again. to me that is what defines a pimp.

Agencies on the other hand are a service, allowing a lady to work as she pleases. Agencies do not force women to contact them for work, and their ads are pretty clear as to what the lady is expected to do. There is no deception. Don't want to see 5 clients a day? Well with an agency a girl can just book off. Want to work somewhere else? Feel free to move on.

The way I see it, I hire an agency to work for me not the other way around.

 

[tboy]

Well jessie, while there are no physical threats involved, there is coercion. For eg: it is easy to say: if you book off one more time, or if you don't see this customer, or whatever, don't expect to be on the top of the call list or don't expect to get any shifts next week.....now of course they have the option of going indy but if they have a bad rap, what other agency would hire them? (this is the same as any other employer/employee situation).