Private Deals with SP's?

[luv4lust]

lol this thread is something else i have never worked for an agency!! i was approached by a few and when i found out how much they took out of the rate i wanted to charge i fell off my chair. no offence to the agencies it is a good place for a newbie to start but, get used to them moving on though. i would rather answer my own phone and emails {and yes i do have a job i work 6 days a week at} than pay a % of EACH appointment i have.

the math is

lets say said girl sees 5 guys a day
she makes 220 on average an hour the agency takes 70 each call they have 10 girls in their agency
this is just a example of how much could be made depending on the rate the woman charges and the take from the agency

charge per girl

220 x 5 = 1100
70 x 5 = 350


charge for 10 girls per day

350 x 10 =3500
not bad for answering the phones and emails eh
please don't flame me i'm just giving an insight on why a escort would see men outside the agency

 

[luv4lust]

Hi luv. I was doing some math as well. No agencies make 3500 per day. Competition in this industry is so huge and the amount of agencies and ladies prevents an agency from making 3500 per day. Not to mention I have never seen 10 ladies available in one day at 1 particular agency. The agencies are not cleaning up, thats for sure. 10 years ago, owning an agency in T.O. was actually a gold mine, those days are gone. I also happen to agree that an Agency is good for a lady getting her feet wet and learning a few things. Moving on is not an issue since the biz is high turnover and ladies go from one place to another. There are some ladies that will always use an agency because they need or want to feel safe. Agencies, for the most part, serve a good purpose in that sense. Advertising costs are through the roof. Businesses that offer advertising in this biz know the money that can be made, and they take advantage of that as well. Transportation costs, ladies working the phone lines. It's not like the agency sits back and does nothing. If a good agency, they also provide protection and a safety net which no value can be placed on. If a lady is in danger, and there is a phone person to notify help and a driver/security risks his life for his $25 to ensure the ladies safety, does the agency fee then become reasonable?

no offence but i'm lmfao i'll make a better response when i get home from work

 

[shakenbake]

Hey guys and sp's. Heres a question that may spark a debate, but I am just so darn curious. Last evening we sent a lady to see a gentlemen from terb. Though, still not verified as he said quote " thats my secret". This gentleman had a lovely time as my partner Jeff called him to see if everything went ok with his appointment. ( we believe in feedback, good or bad)and the young lady did say the client lived alone, so we thought it ok to call and see if he was happy with his appointment. He assured us the lady was quite lovely and a teriffic companion. We could have told him that. *smile* What happened after the appointment disturbed us though. The lady said the gentleman asked her to cut the agency out of the picture from now on. Now, we should say for the record, the lady is an independant, but does use Aphrodisia's to book and for transport and security. Does this happen alot? Do the clients really ask the lady to give up her protection and security and peace of mind? If so, why? So he could spend less money and undervalue her, or is it a control thing? Does he think that without her protections and booking services, he can take advantage of her? Not looking to flame, just curious. Why would someone do that?

Allison

I think of it this way, and many may disagree with me.

If a client sees the Lady through an agency, then it shoudl be that every time the lady visits, the agency should be involved. The agency halps the Lady in many ways, security, referrals, etc. The client should NOT try to exclude the agency ni future rendevous.

Until the lady parts ways with the agency, the agency should always be involved. However, if she freelances and meets a Gentlemen independently of teh agency, she can exclude the agency. Of course, she may take a chance with respect to safety and security if it is a stranger.... It depends on the situation of the first meeting.

 

[Papi Chulo]

I can only assume its all assumption unless you can provide an agency owner who will admit to making 3500 a day?

why would an agency owner admit to making $3500 / day???

It is very easy to fudge the numbers when most of the business is done in cash (to pay less tax)

 

[goalie000]

If the Lady offers a number to call on her own then I think it's OK to Call her direct as she has made the offer, but for the Client to ask to cut out the Agency then I think that's wrong.

 

[tboy]

Hi luv. I was doing some math as well. No agencies make 3500 per day. Competition in this industry is so huge and the amount of agencies and ladies prevents an agency from making 3500 per day. ...

Ahem, I beg to differ. If an agency is taking $70.00 per booking, that's only 50 1 hr bookings in a 24 hr period. Not an unreasonable number and I for a fact know of situations where close to that amount are rec'd in a day.

In addition, you don't necessarily need 10 girls on at any given time. That 50 1 hr bookings can be made up of 5 5 hr bookings and then 25 1 hr bookings or any number of different combinations. Through in a couple of duos and that number is even further reduced (due to the premium fees a duo draws).

Now I know that this would be a rarity (to draw $3500.00 a day) but not impossible. $2500.00 per day is MORE than reasonable and represents a typical friday or saturday night for some busy agencies.

 

[Francesca22]

I think this is the biggest misconception about agencies.

While it is not a highly skilled job in the traditional sense, one must be highly skilled in street smarts. What I mean is that you have to develop a good BS and asshole detector, while at the same time treating every person that calls in or emails as a customer (read: respect and polite).

I will give you a perfect example of asshole; I have been posting more personal pictures lately on CL. This guy emails me saying that he was grossed out by how fat I am but thought that I have a beautiful face (yes some of these pics were showing the face), and he wanted to book with me. Over a few correspondences I kept on telling him nicely that I don't wish to see him. I even told him I was saving him from being disappointed. At first I did not say why I did not want to see him because I did not want to come off as crass telling him he is an asshole. Well finally his last email to me (before I blocked him from emailing me) he got really inappropriate and asked a rather collow question. So I wrote back to him and told him off and said that he proved to be exactly the type of person I thought he was (an asshole). I make a point of mentioning this here because I think if I was a newbie working indy I would have taken this client and it would have been potentially dangerous. Sometimes the jerks are not so obvious in first emails/phone calls.

And don't fool yourself by thinking that agencies are fear mongering. They are not, it is a dangerous business to be in. Let's face it, this line of work does attract the criminal element both on the side of the ladies and on the side of the clients. There are women who are out there trying to steal and take advantage of the men, and men out there who are going to rob/assault/rape ladies. I would like to think most of us ladies and gents are just in this to have a good time (and earn some cash for the ladies) no strings attached. But we are not in a perfect world, and the assholes and bitches are waiting around the corner. I think a good agency will weed out such people by firing the bad ladies (and offering some form of compensation to clients who have been duped) and protecting their workers from bad clients.

The agency also provides ladies with a safety net while in the call, somebody is near by and knows where the lady is in case something goes wrong. And a safe ride home. These drivers often only get paid $25 per call, and that is a two way drive. That is much cheaper then taking a cab and running the risk of having some sleaze ball cabby who you don't know try to take advantage of you.

In "theory" your view and anyone elses seems logical, but there's always a flip.

Having worked for a few agencies myself- there's good and bad in everything. To date, there's one agency out of my experience that I would refer any girl to...spring chicken, green or experienced.

Good points though
Frankie xoxo

 

[Smash]

Several years ago when I drove exclusively for a sp who worked for an agency the women would be offered deals all the time. Men would offer her deals and this way she built an relationship with them and they liked her so soon afterwards she went Indy and used them as regulars. She later had a legit 9-5 job in an office and used her regulars to supplement her income.
She was quite bright and great with money. Now she is a supervisor at the company and still see's at least 4 of her reg's weekly @ $200. an hr.

Yeah, she's living sweet. 9-5 legit job, great credit, condo almost paid off..


Personally I don't see anything wrong with this. It's like if you worked for a hair salon and was very good at what you did. You worked very hard and built up a solid clientel list that only wanted you cutting/styling their hair sooner or later youre going to think (If I started my own business and converted my basement into a salon this could be the start of something)

Its jus business thats why we have contracts.
It happens all the time cutting out middlemen. Sometimes when I'm downtown and need a cab ride I offer the dude say $15 flat to turn off the meter knowing that the ride will easily be $20-$25. He pockets the $ and I save $5-$10. Sometimes they agree sometimes they don't.

 

[luv4lust]

You can make a better response if you like. There are always 2 arguments and each person thinks there point of view is better. To that end, I won't engage anymore. It's like banging your head against the wall. I had my initial question answered in spades. I respect your opinion, as I respect everyones, we just happen to disagree. One final point, you do not even work for an agency, how would you know what they make? I can only assume its all assumption unless you can provide an agency owner who will admit to making 3500 a day?

Allison.

ok first off this is what i was told would have to be paid to the agency i was in contact with.
the amount of girls was just an example like tboy pointed out it doesn't have to be ten it could be less, agency's still make alot of money big deal.
i was just pointing out a reason why a escort would choose to move on.

As for advertising cost lol well i know what they cost here i pay it.
there are so many free ways of advertising, I'm not talking about the Craig's list either.
an agency name could be plastered all over the country for free.

transportation costs when i do an out-call the guy pays 1/2 of the cost after all it takes two lol

one thing i don't under stand about the drivers risking their lives that one kind of throws me off. Out of the 8 years I've been escorting as an Indy i have never had a life threatening experience thank god i have been blessed

lastly doll please don't take my posts wrong I'm just pointing out why i think they do calls on their own time or moving on


i had the thought of opening one changed my mind

 

[solitaria]

You make my points so validly Solitaria.The truth is as I have seen. Even if a client seems like a sweet guy and the lady decides to see him without the agency,(her perogative) Clients all too often cross that line. They start to like, then become obsessed, then possesive , then stalking. Some even go so far as to find out where the lady lives, threaten to expose them to family and friends.Then the lady is in a world of trouble. They also begin negotiating deals that have them making less than with an agency. They say things like, but i thought we liked each other....With the agency in the loop, this never happens.

This is a perfect example of fear mongering.

And despite what you think about agencies worried about their slice of pie, and not the ladies safety, just ask our ladies.

So your original post was made because you were fearful that if the lady didn't give you a 33% cut and instead dealt with the client directly she could be putting herself in danger? You must be really dumb to think most people wouldn't see right through your bullshit.

P.S. You almost sound like you care about the ladies Solitaria. I know that can't be true as you prefer them defenseless.

Your knowledge of men is surprisingly limited if you think you can make that generalization from what I've posted. I've never even thought of escorts in terms of being defenseless.

 

[S.C. Joe]

Sad to say I am from the states and read all the time about some guy hurting or killing his wife or GF.

Not sure about Canada but over here 1 just needs to go to the police and ask for a no stalking order, that person gets told then they can not go near that person or where they work, live and if they do they go to jail. Still does not stop some of those jerks from killing that person later on.

People sometimes act like they "own" another person, most of the time its the guy's but we had a school teacher 2 years ago kill her husband because he was cheating on her.

 

[tboy]

Well, I just have to comment on the "fear mongering". Ok, so the lady is either with an agency or indy. So, as an agency owner you interview each prospective client, get their credit and or criminal history, driver's licence number, references from friends and or other sp's?

How can a lady that works at an agency answering phones tell whether a client might be dangerous or not from a 3 minutes phone call? (other than the obvious clues)

 

[tboy]

Sad to say I am from the states and read all the time about some guy hurting or killing his wife or GF.

Not sure about Canada but over here 1 just needs to go to the police and ask for a no stalking order, that person gets told then they can not go near that person or where they work, live and if they do they go to jail. Still does not stop some of those jerks from killing that person later on.

People sometimes act like they "own" another person, most of the time its the guy's but we had a school teacher 2 years ago kill her husband because he was cheating on her.

Well, that's a whole other ballgame and doesn't involve sp's. But as per your examples, those are guys who are involved or were involved in a relationship with the other.

I've been around terb for a number of years and have only once heard about an sp being afraid. Pissed off at his actions? Yes, a number of times.....but afraid? only once.....and yes, if it happened, we'd hear about it here.....

 

[S.C. Joe]

How can a lady that works at an agency answering phones tell whether a client might be dangerous or not from a 3 minutes phone call? Quote tboy




They can't. They also can not stop the guy from hurting them.

They do make it so its a little harder to get to see them, if the guy calls back a few hours later they might handle the call like, " she is on another date but we can send another lady for you " as a Indy she might go running back and see the guy...

I think you men in Toronto are nicer than some guys here, so thats why you have a hard time thinking that the guys would hurt the girls.

I can see your points that they get the girls scare they get hurt if they work as an Indy just to keep them.

 

[Papi Chulo]

Another misconception is that drivers are paid to risk their lives... they do not. They are there to drop off & pick up the girl. If anything goes wrong, he does not break into the residences or hotel rooms... but calls the police.

 

[luv4lust]

The client, if dangerous, which is rare, is aware there is a driver. With indies, its almost assumed the lady drove herself or took a cab. Noone waiting just round the corner, unlike agencies driver's in many cases.

i stress again i have never had any problem and i am an Indy
the thought that an agency escort is safer because there is a driver is ridiculous. let me tell you if a guy is going to hurt a girl he isn't going to let her call the driver, so unless he is standing in the room

 

[luv4lust]

Fact Is

You are so out of line in this thread, it's a joke. Opinions are one thing; FACT based on experience is another.

From the sounds of things, you haven't worked with an agency so how can you even form a first-hand opinion?

I was with one agency for six years prior to Exquisite. Therefore, I have the ability to speak first-hand about both (i.e., working with an agency/owning an agency).

Your "opinion" as an indie in this case, relating to agency ownership and the above exaggerated calculations, means nothing.

It's wonderful that you are ecstatic with your independent status, but other than that, you cannot lecture and spout conjecture about agencies as you clearly have no idea as to the inner workings of what it takes to operate a successful agency these days.

Vanessa

give me a break what is different than running and agency and being an independent besides not having to take payment from other escorts & paying my own expenses hmmmm lets see nothing. i pay for phones, advertisement, driver, pictures, website, promotions, answer my own calls, Pm's, and email all without delay.
your right i don't know anything

 

[papasmerf]

When I was married you could have had my wife for a wink, nod and a grand.........she was at best expensive.

 

[solitaria]

Actually Solitaria, my original post was about (some) clients trying to get the ladies to see them without the agencies. If they wanted to do that, they would be Indies, not with an agency. Noone forces a lady to work with an agency. They do it because they decide its the best way for them to proceed.

You do realize everyone reading this thread understands that the only reason you made your original post was because you were pissed off some guy tried to cut you and your 33% stake out of the loop. It is so phony to suggest that you care about the lady's safety and that her safety was the reason why you made the original post.

The fear mongering as you called it came as a result of some ignorant comments, like from you for example.

I would say you are the one making ignorant comments. The lady is better able to protect herself by fielding the phone calls herself because she is the only one that will be harmed if something goes wrong and would therefore be more concerned about not accepting potentially bad clients. Basically the only thing an agency does is provide a buddy system as someone already said the driver does not really protect the lady but rather just gives her a false sense of security. It would be very easy to set up a buddy system with a fellow escort/friend, put your ad on an escort site or in a magazine, answer the phone when you are ready to do business and keep your 33% cut instead of letting agency vultures have it.

Your hostility is clearly visible and I think
that speaks volumes of not only how you feel about agencies, but the ladies in general.

You are such a dishonest person with your accusations. As I said before I am not the one charging exorbitant rates for essentially doing nothing except to play up to a woman's fears and insecurities about the men she has to deal with all the while pretending to care.

 

[Capoeira]

I'd have to admit, this was definitely a thread topic that an agency should have avoided.
These types of threads only open up a can of worms, and forces the agency to rebut to
defend it's position.

I think Aphrodisias Companions should have created this thread on fresh account, because
after seeing the attitude from some replies, I certainly would not use them.