Pistorius, the blade runner, shot his girlfriend?

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Pisto still going with the burglar defense: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/02/19/oscar-pistorius-south-africa-court.html

This tells me he probably has too much pride to admit he killed her during a domestic dispute. His own pride will be his downfall I think

Interesting comment. I remember him getting interviewed dozens of times on TV and in other media and he came across as very humble, cordial and polite. I was really taken by his demeanor. However, there was one incident that really bothered me and stuck with me since the paralympics. He lost the 200 meters and he claimed the winner was running with illegal blades. I found that to be sour grapes and ungracious of him. Your comment made me think about his pride, he couldn't admit to defeat to a better man on that day, so he turned to other excuses. I think you're right, pride will be his downfall.

 

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^^^ funny you should mention that, TMZ is claiming the same:

http://www.tmz.com/2013/02/19/oscar-pistorius-paralympics-todd-schaffhauser/

A "Reckless" Disaster Waiting to Happen, Says Paralympian

Oscar Pistorius was a ticking time bomb and a disgrace to Paralympians everywhere -- even before he was charged with murdering his girlfriend -- this according to a U.S. Paralympic gold medalist who says he's "not surprised" by the tragedy.

Todd Schaffhauser tells TMZ he "warned many of the prosthetic sponsors about Oscar after reading some of the first incidents of his reckless behavior" on and off the track.

Todd -- who won gold as a sprinter in the '88 Paralympics (below) -- was referring to allegations Pistorius wrecked a speedboat, fell asleep at the wheel and crashed a car ... and also to the fact he was arrested for allegedly assaulting a different girlfriend in '09.

Although Todd's never met Pistorius -- he adds, "Oscar truly showed the only disabled person he was looking out for was Oscar" ... when he lost the gold medal at the London Paralympics, and accused the winner of cheating.

"I never saw him a true ambassador of the sport. True ambassadors don't behave as he has in the past.”

As for Pistorius' pending murder trial ... Todd says, regardless of the outcome -- "I am glad he is hopefully out of the sport forever and some of the true upcoming ambassadors get the attention they deserve.”
 

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Pisto still going with the burglar defense: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/02/19/oscar-pistorius-south-africa-court.html

This tells me he probably has too much pride to admit he killed her during a domestic dispute. His own pride will be his downfall I think
This is all going to depend on the Crown's forensic experts. We're in the realm of bullet trajectory graphs and blood splash patterns. Pistorius is betting that even if the Crown's expert evidence is compelling, he can talk his way out of it with some tears and a lot of support from his friends. That is, assuming that he's guilty to begin with.

There is a certain amount of implausibility to begin with, in his story. If I am lying in bed after a night w my gf and I hear noises in the bathroom, I am very, very likely going to assume that it's her in there and not a burglar. Why would one even assume it's a burglar, let alone freak out, grab a gun and hunt the noise down? And without even noticing that the gf is not in bed beside you? And wouldn't most people - scared or not - simply grab the gun and wait for the figure to emerge from the bathroom before pulling the trigger? And while waiting, dial 911?
 

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I was watching BNN this morning and they said that South Africa has the highest ratio of women killed by their partners.
 

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another hero gone
 

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There is a certain amount of implausibility to begin with, in his story. If I am lying in bed after a night w my gf and I hear noises in the bathroom, I am very, very likely going to assume that it's her in there and not a burglar. Why would one even assume it's a burglar, let alone freak out, grab a gun and hunt the noise down? And without even noticing that the gf is not in bed beside you? And wouldn't most people - scared or not - simply grab the gun and wait for the figure to emerge from the bathroom before pulling the trigger? And while waiting, dial 911?
The story I think he's going with is his girlfriend snuck up on him with some kind of Valentine's surprise visit at his house

I was watching BNN this morning and they said that South Africa has the highest ratio of women killed by their partners
Charlize Theron's mom killed her husband during a domestic attack in which Charlize's dad tried to kill her mom. Whole thing went to court I think, and mom was exonerated by way of self-defense.

All this happened while Charlize was living in SA
 

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Since when do burglars lock themselves in a washroom?
Did they have Taco Bell an hour before the B&E?
 

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The story I think he's going with is his girlfriend snuck up on him with some kind of Valentine's surprise visit at his house.
Apparently, this is not his version of events. Read the news item.
 

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There is a certain amount of implausibility to begin with, in his story. If I am lying in bed after a night w my gf and I hear noises in the bathroom, I am very, very likely going to assume that it's her in there and not a burglar. Why would one even assume it's a burglar, let alone freak out, grab a gun and hunt the noise down? And without even noticing that the gf is not in bed beside you? And wouldn't most people - scared or not - simply grab the gun and wait for the figure to emerge from the bathroom before pulling the trigger? And while waiting, dial 911?
Which I agree carries through even with his current story that he was on the balcony when he heard noise in the bathroom - and at no point did it occur to him to see if his girlfriend was still in bed, or say in a "voice of command" who is in the bathroom before shooting multiple times through a closed (and locked) door.
 

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His story seems a bit implausible - why would a burglar break in through a master bedroom's bathroom window and then decide to not rob the house but rather to stay in the bathroom and lock the bathroom door, locking himself in the bathroom?

His side:

In his statement, Pistorius said Steenkamp came over February 13, opting for a quiet dinner in over a night out with friends. They wrapped up the night with a bit of television in bed for him, some yoga for her. She had brought him a Valentine's Day present to open the next day.

After the couple had gone to bed, he said he got up in the early hours of February 14 to close the balcony door in his bedroom when he heard a sound in the bathroom.

Pistorius said he'd been a victim of violence and burglary in the past, and realized with terror that contractors who worked at the house had left ladders outside.

Fearing someone had entered the home through the open bathroom window, moving in the dark on the stumps of his amputated legs, Pistorius grabbed his pistol from under the bed and yelled at the intruder to get out.

"I fired shots at the toilet door and shouted to Reeva to phone the police. She did not respond and I moved backwards out of the bathroom, keeping my eye on the bathroom entrance," Pistorius said in his statement. "Everything was pitch-dark in the bedroom and I was still too scared to switch on a light."

"When I reached the bed, I realized that Reeva was not in bed. That is when it dawned on me that it could have been Reeva who was in the toilet. I returned to the bathroom calling her name," he said.

He said he threw open the balcony door and screamed for help, put on his prosthetic legs and tried to kick in the door to the separate room inside the bathroom containing the toilet. Then, he said, he picked up a cricket bat, smashing panels out of the door before finding a key and unlocking it.

"Reeva was slumped over but alive," he said.

Pistorius said he called for help and was told to take her to the hospital himself.

He carried her downstairs and tried to help but, but she died.

"I cannot bear to think of the suffering I have caused her and her family, knowing how much she was loved," he said.

But he said he did not mean to kill her, and protested the charges against him.

The opposing (and somewhat more plausible) view:

Prosecutors, however, painted a different picture.

They rejected Pistorius' claim that he mistook her for a burglar, saying it would make no sense for an intruder to hide behind a locked bathroom door.

Instead, they say Pistorius armed himself, attached his prosthetic legs and walked 7 meters (23 feet) to shoot Steenkamp through a bathroom door after a heated argument.

Defense attorney Barry Roux questioned the state's argument, asking how prosecutors would know Pistorius had put on his prosthetic legs and walked to the bathroom before shooting his girlfriend.

Police were alerted to the shooting by neighbors, and residents had "heard things earlier," that night police spokeswoman Denise Beukes said.

Authorities said there had been "previous incidents" at the home, including "allegations of a domestic nature," but did not provide details.

Detectives are investigating the blood-stained cricket bat found in the home, Johannesburg's City Press newspaper reported. They are trying to determine whether it was used to attack Steenkamp, if she used the bat in self-defense, or if Pistorius used it to try to break down the bathroom door, the newspaper said.
 
The simplest explanation is ALMOST always the correct one.

She was a beautiful, successful model, whose star was rising, albeit how far that goes with a reality TV show, who knows. He was an amazing, albeit crippled, athlete, who has like reached the pinnacle of his career and has nowhere else to go. She could have her choice of any man pretty much. Odds are he is an aggressive asshole, because you pretty much need to be to attain the success he has.

Just another rage-fueled domestic abuse crime.

I wonder if they'll let him keep his blades in prison. Presumably they could be used as a weapons... Back to the old fake legs Oscar!
 

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A Toronto Star opinion piece:


Oscar Pistorius will likely get off because fear animates much of South African lives

A great many South Africans will believe the general gist of Pistorius’s story, enough to arouse reasonable doubt, and certainly enough to convince them there was no premeditation, Cathal Kelly writes.

On my first night in Johannesburg, I accidentally shut the rape door behind me, trapping myself in the bedroom.

Most middle-class homes in South Africa feature ‘rape doors’ — sliding jail doors that compartmentalize a house so that no intruder can get at you if — and this is the phrase commonly used — “your perimeter is breached.”

It was funny for a minute. Then I realized that since all the windows in the bedroom were barred, I had no way to get out in case of a fire.

We phoned the couple we’d rented our pleasant bungalow from and explained the situation. The owner laughed a long time, and then said he’d be by in the morning to release me.

South Africans are afraid of many things. Fire is not one of them.

This is the atmosphere in which Oscar Pistorius’s credulity stretching explanation of why he shot girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp to death as she cowered in a bathroom will be received. It’s the reason he’s going to get off.

We spent six weeks there covering the 2010 World Cup. There is no sufficient way to explain the paranoia about home security that grips average South Africans, except to say that fear animates much of their lives. The home we rented was typical.

It was surrounded by 10-foot walls. The walls were topped by electric fencing. When you look down a Jo’burg street, it gives the appearance of the frontage of a prison — all high walls, topped by electric fencing (for the well off) or razor wire (for the not-so-well off).

A submarine door accessed the street, but we were warned never to use it. People enter and exit using the garage door, which was solid-oak, three-inches thick and would not stop once it began coming down if someone was under it. This is to prevent anyone coming in behind you as you enter — an infamous home-invasion tactic.

Inside were the aforementioned rape doors. There was a gun locker (empty) in the master bedroom. Each room had a white button labelled ‘Panic.’

“What happens if I hit the button?” I asked the landlord as lightly as possible. I presumed it triggered a silent alarm. No, it summons the private-security company that is constantly roaming the neighbourhood in SUVs with blacked-out windows. The country is wracked by violence, but South Africans do not trust the police force and would not bother calling them.

“If you hit that button, someone will be here in 90 seconds with a machine gun,” he said. He wasn’t kidding.

Many of the media companies that covered that event hired drivers and armed bodyguards to squire them around. We work for newspapers, so we counted on our wits, which worked out better than you’d think.

On Tuesday morning, you may have heard Pistorius’s version of events. He could not sleep on a hot night, and had walked out on his stumps to take air on the balcony around 3 a.m. He heard a noise. It occurred to him that the bathroom window was open, and that there was a ladder on the property. He thought Steenkamp was still asleep in bed, and called out to her, telling her to phone police.

He also called out a warning to the presumptive burglar. He collected a pistol he kept under the bed. He approached the bathroom door. Having given the first warning, he began firing through it.

Pistorius said it had not occurred to him that Steenkamp might be inside. He returned to the bedroom, and then saw that Steenkamp was not there.

“That’s when it dawned on me it must have been Reeva in the toilet,” he said, according to a prepared statement.

You may not believe it. I may not believe it. A great, great many South Africans will believe it — not all of it perhaps, but the general gist. Enough to arouse reasonable doubt, and certainly enough to convince them there was no premeditation.

They will be able to put themselves in that situation — a night-time panic, a gun close at hand, and the sense that they are on their own.

Many factors can still queer this storyline, one that will only ever be presented from one side of things — the shooter’s.

If it turns out that Pistorius was routinely violent with women, or that he threatened Steenkamp publicly, or that she told a friend she feared for her safety. All that puts Pistorius’s story in doubt.

There is also the wrinkle that South Africa has no jury system for murder trials. Pistorius’ case, still months away, will be heard by a judge, assisted by two “assessors.”

There may still be forensic evidence that disputes his story. And there is also the chance that it really happened this way. It’s just foolish and tragic enough to be true.

But if this is all there is to it — the word of the killer in a country filled with potential judges who also feel threatened in their homes — Pistorius is about to become the Afrikaans O.J.
 

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He would appear to have no defence to lesser charges such as "negligent use of a firearm".
 

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That still doesnt explain the bloody cricket bat
 

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A Toronto Star opinion piece:


Oscar Pistorius will likely get off because fear animates much of South African lives
Cathal Kelly writes.

He thought Steenkamp was still asleep in bed, and called out to her, telling her to phone police.....He collected a pistol he kept under the bed. He approached the bathroom door. Having given the first warning, he began firing through it.
Keep in mind, this is the opinion of a guy who also masquerades as the NFL picks expert for the Star. As far as I know he has no legal expertise.

I assume they were sleeping in the same bed and that there is a telephone in the bedroom. As such, if he came into the bedroom to get his gun he would have expected to see her on the phone (at least getting up and around) and if not he'd wonder where she is and take a look at the bed. The story sounds too fishy.

BTW, Cathal Kelly was significantly under .500 on his NFL picks. What are his chances of being right in this case?
 

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I assume they were sleeping in the same bed and that there is a telephone in the bedroom. As such, if he came into the bedroom to get his gun he would have expected to see her on the phone (at least getting up and around) and if not he'd wonder where she is and take a look at the bed. The story sounds too fishy.
Great minds think alike. If I was Crown counsel, first thing I'd be doing is phoning the OiC and having him walk me around that house. Where the bedroom in relation to the bathroom and balcony is very important. And if I'd been Pistorius, the first thing I'd have worried myself about is where my woman was and whether she was in danger before I thought about confronting the intruder.
 

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Keep in mind, this is the opinion of a guy who also masquerades as the NFL picks expert for the Star. As far as I know he has no legal expertise.

I assume they were sleeping in the same bed and that there is a telephone in the bedroom. As such, if he came into the bedroom to get his gun he would have expected to see her on the phone (at least getting up and around) and if not he'd wonder where she is and take a look at the bed. The story sounds too fishy.

BTW, Cathal Kelly was significantly under .500 on his NFL picks. What are his chances of being right in this case?
He's also under .500 with his opinions on sports figures or sporting events IMO. I do belief he has no legal expertise based on many of his columns that I've read. I'm not one of his biggest fans that's for sure.
 

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Great minds think alike. If I was Crown counsel, first thing I'd be doing is phoning the OiC and having him walk me around that house. Where the bedroom in relation to the bathroom and balcony is very important. And if I'd been Pistorius, the first thing I'd have worried myself about is where my woman was and whether she was in danger before I thought about confronting the intruder.
As you already posted a lot of weight is going to go on bullet trajectory graphs now that he's fenced himself in that he didn't have on his prosthetics (which sounds weird to me, you get up go out on the balcony and don't bother to put on your legs?)
 
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