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Pierre Poilievre

Judgeetox0357

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It is very unfortunate that you are right on the money if the party choses PP as the next leader. He is a polarizing figure. It will ensure that the Liberal get a majority. Someone who is articulate, centralist, moderate need to step up for the leadership. So many who left to go into private sector do not want to go back into the ring.
Carolyn Mulrouney.

if only the CPC had the brains to run her against Trudeau the first time.
 

lomotil

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The most credible opposition is the BQ.
Notice that there have been no blockades of Quebec- US border crossings or no sustained occupations in Montreal or Quebec City . The far right groups in Canada and American funding the insurrections in Ottawa, and at the Ambassador Bridge and other border crossings in Canada dare not mix with Quebec’s sovereignist and nationalist moods and sentiments.
Quebec calls their provincial legislature, “ the National Assembly” for a reason and would deem an invasion of convoys of Anglo truckers financed in by right wing groups in America and Canada as a foreign invasion and having little if anything to do with vaccine mandates. The failed attempted joke of a coup is not in the best interests of the cozy relationship between Ottawa and Quebec.
Maybe the BQ opposes the Emergency Act because it could be used against Quebec in the future if necessary , shades of the FLQ.
 

massman

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Wasn't that exactly what O'Toole brought to the table?
Yes, but he didn’t lead. He made promises to the far right and centre of the CPC and was caught talking out of both sides of his mouth and flip flopping on issues daily. He should not have tried to kiss the ass of the social conservatives/ Alt right in the party. He needed to LEAD and say, “if we want to be a credible opposition and get elected in this country, we have to be seen as a viable choice by most of this country that is in the political centre. So we won’t be talking about abortion laws, against gay/ trans rights, whining about “immigrants”, we will campaign on fiscal responsibility, law and order, and ensuring a strong economy”
 

Frankfooter

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The party's platform is to separate from Canada. Come on now, no wonder Russia, China are all in on misinformation to get the truckers to overthrow the government. Canada is better than this.

Our country requires two credible national party in our westminister parliment model.
Then we are lucky we have four.
Two choices would give us the US disaster, but with four it just means more moderate governments like this one get elected.
 

Darts

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Quebec has benefited both economically and culturally from confederation. The West not so much. Actually, the West would have done better if they had joined the U.S.
 

jcpro

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Sorry, if you cannot get the drift of my post…In summary, PP the rabid attack dog is poised to become the driving force towards ensuring a Liberal majority.
Well then, you should be cheering him on, not attacking him. Don't you want Justin to rule forever?
 

nottyboi

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They have no representation outside of Quebec.

…yet at one time, they were the official opposition. One can understand why the west is so irate
That does not mean they don't represent issues that are relevant to all Canadians. Same with the Greens. I mean the Green lol)
 

nottyboi

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The party's platform is to separate from Canada. Come on now, no wonder Russia, China are all in on misinformation to get the truckers to overthrow the government. Canada is better than this.

Our country requires two credible national party in our westminister parliment model.
BQ is no longer separatist. They are Quebec advocacy. Lots of good ideas come from Quebec. The national Daycare idea for one. Many BQ issues are also relevant to Canada. AND what people forget is : if Quebec seperates, the rest of Canada will be MUCH RICHER. We will be able to visit Montreal and bang Quebec escorts at a huge discount. VIVE La QUEBEC LIBRE
 
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bver_hunter

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False choice.

I oppose the emergency act and I do not support acts of blocking roads, ridges, etc.
You do not support it, but Foolievre still supported what they were doing in all those blockades, and making the lives of those Ottawa residents miserable. Maybe You should be calling him out for it in that case.
 

jalimon

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BQ is no longer separatist. They are Quebec advocacy. Lots of good ideas come from Quebec. The national Daycare idea for one. Many BQ issues are also relevant to Canada. AND what people forget is : if Quebec seperates, the rest of Canada will be MUCH RICHER. We will be able to visit Montreal and bang Quebec escorts at a huge discount. VIVE La QUEBEC LIBRE
But Quebec won't separate it's over. PQ is struggling at 9% now...

We got rid of the Liberals and all their corruption.

Quebec has changed a lot. Except for the girl. They are still the nastiest 😂
 
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jalimon

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Notice that there have been no blockades of Quebec- US border crossings or no sustained occupations in Montreal or Quebec City . The far right groups in Canada and American funding the insurrections in Ottawa, and at the Ambassador Bridge and other border crossings in Canada dare not mix with Quebec’s sovereignist and nationalist moods and sentiments.
Quebec calls their provincial legislature, “ the National Assembly” for a reason and would deem an invasion of convoys of Anglo truckers financed in by right wing groups in America and Canada as a foreign invasion and having little if anything to do with vaccine mandates. The failed attempted joke of a coup is not in the best interests of the cozy relationship between Ottawa and Quebec.
Maybe the BQ opposes the Emergency Act because it could be used against Quebec in the future if necessary , shades of the FLQ.
You are wrong there is a convoy in Quebec city every weekend.

Have you set a foot in Quebec in the last 10 years?

Sorry to say but your post is totally wrong.
 

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lomotil

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You are wrong there is a convoy in Quebec city every weekend.

Have you set a foot in Quebec in the last 10 years?

Sorry to say but your post is totally wrong.
Yes there is a convoy in Quebec City which is a legal protest which appears and disbands and seem to be actually associated with vaccine mandates and mask requirement and is not a siege or insurrection like the Ottawa failed coup or the blocking of border crossings elsewhere in Canada organized and financed by far right groups in Canada and the US.
I see a clear distinction between what is happening in Quebec and what is happening in Ottawa and other parts of Canada.

In the past 10 years, I have holidayed in Quebec City about four times and only once on St Jean Baptiste Day had a friendly debate and lecture from a Pure Laine on where Quebec was at and where it was going outside their National Assembly .
 
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barnacler

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You do not support it, but Foolievre still supported what they were doing in all those blockades, and making the lives of those Ottawa residents miserable. Maybe You should be calling him out for it in that case.
No, he specifically said that there are always bad apples in any large group. One can support the cause of a group, and some of the methods, and not some of other methods.
 

bver_hunter

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No, he specifically said that there are always bad apples in any large group. One can support the cause of a group, and some of the methods, and not some of other methods.
Everyone has the right to protest as long as it is peaceful in Canada. But having fringe elements carrying Neo-Nazi signs on the same protest rally, is a cause for concern when You see the likes of Poilievre endorsing them. These clearly were blockades in Ottawa from Day 1 that spread to several cities and very critically to the borders itself. Moreover, when he stated this in 2020 during the Indigenous Blockade of the Railway lines through their own territory:

“These blockaders are taking away the freedom of other people to move their goods and themselves,” he said on Feb. 13, 2020. “That is wrong and the government has laws and tools in place to combat it.”
Yes, "Laws and tools" to combat it. What are the laws and tools if they are not the Emergency measures taken in this case, when all else failed under the Municipal and Provincial Jurisdictions? It stinks of double standards and will come home to bite him during the next elections!!
 

Frankfooter

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Yes, "Laws and tools" to combat it. What are the laws and tools if they are not the Emergency measures taken in this case, when all else failed under the Municipal and Provincial Jurisdictions? It stinks of double standards and will come home to bite him during the next elections!!
We had the laws and tools but didn't have a police force that was willing to use them.
 
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