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I've had my share of emotional rollercoasters, if you don't mind reading.

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&keywords=David%20Viscott&index=books&page=1

David Viscott, this guy was phenomenal with helping people, his radio show was amazing.
He cut to the core of people's problems and it blew me away.
I think Dr. Phil, Tony Robbins and others got their stuff from him and just commercialized it.

I seriously mean it when I say his stuff is head and shoulders above the rest, really good.
 

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Please read "A Journey Through Darkness" by Daphne Merrkin. Just google that and you will read an enlightning article about clinical depression. Good luck and never give up.
 

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If this is a recent development in your life--something that has only happened in the last 2-5 years or so--then maybe in this age of psychologists and therapists and self-help books and medication and drugs and doctors I should ask you the obvious question:

Is there something in your life pissing you off?

I have a friend who has all the outward and inward signs of depression but there is a simple reason why--she carries an obligation in her life which she cannot shirk and which she hates, and it is making her hate her life.

If that is your situation too then consider a careful, determined plan to make a life change that will get you free of whatever it is.

It may well NOT be your case, maybe everything is peaches and cream in your life and this really is some sort of chemical/psychological issue that you should resolve.

But I thought I'd ask the obvious question...
 

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This is an escort forum...go fuck your brains out
i had a similar reason to try that theory..but the sexual withdrawals made me depressed :eek:
it does help...overall best to talk about your state of mind.
 

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Stay strong and positive mbaileyajc. It is apparent even on this board (which is wonderful to see) that you have support likewise I am sure in those around you.

i assume that when you say you are clinically depressed, you have been diagnosed with major depressive disorder as by the Diagnositic Criteria (DSM) by a physician.

PM me if you have any questions.

The most Ideal way to remove any pathology is to understand and absolve its etiology. you can look at this list here and try to relate it to yourself to try to identify as to the cause of your depression so you can target the stressor in hope for recovery:

Now this is brief. I am try to recall..it is going back in my training.

Etiology:
biological ( little control over cognitively but is a target pharmaceutically)
- genetic
-neurotransmitter dysfunction (decrease level of serotonin, norepinephrine, dopamine)
-secondary to a medical condition

Psychosocial:
psychodynamic (e.g. low self-esteem)
cognitive (e.g. negative thinking)
environmental factors (eg job loss, diet, omega 3 fatty acid), bereavement, history of abuse)
co-morbid psychiatric diagnosis (substance abuse, mental retardation, dementia, eating disorder)
These are targeted by psychological treatments.

Risk factors:
family history: depression, alcohol abuse, sociopathy
childhood experiences: loss of parent before 11, negative home enviroment (abuse,neglect)
personality: insecure, dependent, obsessional
recent stressors (illness, financial, legal)
lack of intimate, confiding relationships or social isolation.

so if you have any of the risk factors that are continually there attempt to remove them...ie, do not socially isolate yourself, drink etc, seek help for any of the other problems.

Treatment:
Biological:
antidepressents, lithium, antipsychotics, anxiolytics, light therapy, and the conterversial electroconvulsive therapy ECT.
Psychological:
individual therapy - psychodynamic, interpersonal, cognative behavioural therapy
family therapy
group therapy
Social:
vocational rehabilitation, social skills training.

Now ofcouse none of us can truely know what you are going through or the extent/specifics of your condition, but realize you have support and you can get help anywhere.

it is good to see that you reached out for help here! it means you want it and are seeking it.

Here is the KEY: if you have any questions read over the info I gave you here and the info all these wonderful TERB members gave you and discuss it with your doc. There is little reason why you should not be improving.

you can also pm me if you need.
take care,
 

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Carrie Moon said:
St. john's wort is great for mild to moderate depression

http://www.naturalnews.com/025754.html

as well as Omega 3 fish oils and other ideas listed here. http://www.naturalnews.com/006587.html

A good multi-B vitamin as well as a raw food diet. Important. get off of white sugar (read the sugar blues book), coffee, alcohol etc already mentioned.
You are right to say that studies indicate that St John's wort is an ok treatment with fewer side effects but since this is an over the counter product people have to be careful taking this without a proper diagnosis. St John's wort works by producing the brain chemical serotonin which would not be an effective treatment for someone who has a mild form of bi-polar disorder.

I don't have a problem with natural remedies so long as it done under a Drs supervision especially for any long term depressive issues.

While diet and exercise will go all long way to aid in recovery, often the need is to address the illness first. Once proper treatment begins most people suffering from depression find the need for sugars, alcohol and coffee drop off dramatically.
 

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Ok, I'll try to be brief with this. Ive been suffering from clinical depression for 3 years. Ive gone for help, Ive tried medications, Ive seeked out help but I am probably worse off today than I was when this all started. I'm starting to feel like there is no scenario in which I can get out of this situation that doesnt involve a bad ending. I've pretty much lost any hope and fear that I will never be able to get out of this situation. Any advice would be appreciated.
Lots of good advise here. And some terrible advise...will power? STFU. Its hard to make concrete suggestions when there are specific details that are unknown. How old are you and what are you depressed about? What can you change that might make a difference or make you happy? You may not want to answer these here for reasons of anonymity.

What we know is that you have tried to get help and you've tried medication.

There may be other medication that will work. But I would be careful with this option. There are other things that you should follow up on. Finances may be an issue. Some of these things are expensive.

See a therapist. If you've seen one, maybe it was the wrong therapist or the wrong type of therapy.

CAMH might be able to help. They have support groups, as well as a variety of professionals to help you. If cost is an issue for therapy, this might be a good option as it is all covered by OHIP.

Alternative medicine. I like the suggestion of seeing a naturopath. Diet, nutrition, exercise all can make a difference. And something like accupuncture, craniosacral massage, St. John's Wort, shiatsu, EFT...any and all of these could make a big difference.

So when you say you have sought help, there may be a lot of other places to go in that search.

Good luck.
 

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I suffered from depression for many years myself so maybe I can also provide a few helpful suggestions.

1) Firstly, accept your condition. Don't fight it. Don't wake up and try to battle with your feelings. You can't make yourself feel good. You can't go through each day telling yourself, "Oh God, a beautiful sunny day. Why don't I like it? Why isn't it lifting my spirits?" Recognize that you are emotionally exhausted. In your condition, you could win millions in the lottery and still wake up the next day feeling down. It's a habit pattern and you have to give yourself time to come out of it.

2) Start by making small changes in your life. Re-arrange your bedroom. Re-decorate your home or apartment. If you wake up each day staring at the same spot on the ceiling and feeling that heavy lead in your stomach, you're already off to a bad start. Move your bed towards the window. If you can, open the window and listen to the birds in the morning. Keep the TV or the radio on at home. Find a station on the radio and put it on low and listen to it all night if you can. It will help break you of the habit of negative introspection. Never sit in silence with only the clock ticking on the wall.

3) Recognize also that you might be suffering from a chemical imbalance. Seek medical help. Even if you just feel like talking, find a caring doctor to reassure you. This will reduce any worry you may carry around about your condition.

4) Mind your diet. Watch the sugar and caffeine. In your condition, your appetite may be suffering. Instead of eating large meals, try eating a series of smaller meals. Concentrate on fruit and vegetables. Drink water and milk and keep away from alcohol and drugs.

5) Make sure you get plenty of sleep. Get a doctor to prescribe a sleep aid if necessary but stay off that bed during the day. Too many depressed people lie in bed and brood. Don't do it. Sleep only if you are tired but don't flop into bed in order to run away from your feelings.

6) Understand that you are ill. Accepting this fact will help you cope. You won't be as inclined to push yourself and monitor your feelings too closely. If you had a cold, you surely wouldn't be telling yourself, "Oh hell, my nose is still clogged up. What am I going to do?"

7) Try to get some exercise. You may not have the energy for it so just try walking. Walk somewhere where you can see movement and people. Don't feel bad if you see people laughing and smiling. Just tell yourself, "Fine, I'm emotionally spent. How can I laugh and smile when I'm as worn out as I am. But in time, I'll feel better.

8) Understand you do have happy moments but not the ability to really recognize them and appreciate them. Nobody is ever depressed every second, every minute of the day. It's not physiologically possible. Try to recognize happy moments and take encouragement from them. Don't worry if they vanish as quickly as they came. You'll chase them away if you go after them. Take it all philosophically. A happy moment will come back if you let it.

9) Always remind yourself of the good in your life. You have a roof over your head and food to eat. You do have people who care about you and love you. None of this may mean much to you in your condition but every so often the realization that others may be much worse off but not nearly as depressed as you may make you momentarily happy. If it does, you've made a beginning. Keep reminding yourself of the good in your life. You may have to work at it before you really begin to believe it but if you persist, you will eventually feel your depression lift at times.

10) Indulge in guilt free sexual activity. I don't mean masturbation but find a good SP or MPA. Make a connnection. Let her help you through it. Sex is a wonderful mood elevator if done with the right person. Find that right person and stay with her. Don't be afraid to be candid. Open your heart and let it all out. A good SP or MPA who is a caring and compassionate listener will always be there for you.

Hope this helps. It helped me. Good luck. :)
 

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Do things and surround yourself with things or people that make you happy.

I'm a fairly young guy and think I've been depressed from a very young age... These days I too feel like very little things make me happy. I don't know... Maybe its this country I live in. Most people seem to be too focused on their 9-5 jobs, and the spread out communities with so many cars promote very little social contact amongst each other... For me the surroundings is definitely a factor to my situation.. When I travel to Europe for short term work of a few months, I tend to become a happier person and wonder what am I doing in Toronto. Out there it seems I made more contact with other humans, had a happier outlook in life and just tried to enjoy each day..

I don't know why I don't get this feeling in Toronto. Maybe we have so many immigrants around here who like working their asses off because they've never had such a good opportunity to make good money back where they came from. Sorry not picking on the immigrants cuz I am one myself, but from all these years of working I noticed these immigrants like to just work and work and work overtime and milk the system dry.
 

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This is a typical response from someone entirely ignorant to depression. Will power will have no EFFECT on overcoming CLINICAL DEPRESSION. It might help the everyday blues but a major illness like this no god damn way.

It's comments like this that keep people from actually seeking help because people like you tell them they are weak willed.

Read a book or the attached definition and educate yourself.:mad:

And it goes without saying that rama should use his own advice - people this stupid (rama) shouldn't take up space on this planet.
Firstly where does that definition you quoted come from?

Seconldy the problem with this "clinical depression" thing is that any depressed person can read it and think, oh I must be clinically depressed, therefore I don't need to try and change my way of thinking, a doctor can sort it out for me. Even if they're not diagnosed, they will see different doctors until they get the diagnosis, else go around complaining to everyone that doctors don't know shit.

The line between clinical and non-clinical depression is not a hard one. I doubt there is any depressed person who will not benefit from disciplined positive thinking. Don't underestimate the power of your mind!
 
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Another thing I would recommend that will likely help would be to enroll in a meditation for health course, several of which are offered in the greater Toronto area. Many people with depression have taken this course and have benefitted greatly. For course locations you can check http://www.umassmed.edu/cfm/mbsr/locate_action.cfm and I can recommend a couple if you are interested. The course offers "training that asks participants to draw on their inner resources and natural capacity to actively engage in caring for themselves and finding greater balance, ease, and peace of mind". This can help with depression.
 

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a couple people have mentioned bipolar disorder.. I have no idea where you are getting that idea from with this guy. I have someone in my immediate family with bipolar disorder and it's a hell of a lot different from depression.
http://www.cmha.ca/BINS/content_page.asp?cid=3-86-92

I don't recall the OP mentioning manic episodes.
 

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mmouse said:
Firstly where does that definition you quoted come from?

Seconldy the problem with this "clinical depression" thing is that any depressed person can read it and think, oh I must be clinically depressed, therefore I don't need to try and change my way of thinking, a doctor can sort it out for me. Even if they're not diagnosed, they will see different doctors until they get the diagnosis, else go around complaining to everyone that doctors don't know shit.

The line between clinical and non-clinical depression is not a hard one. I doubt there is any depressed person who will not benefit from disciplined positive thinking. Don't underestimate the power of your mind!
The definition I gave is from WebMD - try to do a little research before you start falling into the trap of stigmatization of this illness -also you clearly need to educate yourself about this illness and you might review not only any Mental health site but even the Canadian Human Rights Code regarding discrimination and mental health issues.

a couple people have mentioned bipolar disorder.. I have no idea where you are getting that idea from with this guy. I have someone in my immediate family with bipolar disorder and it's a hell of a lot different from depression.
http://www.cmha.ca/BINS/content_page.asp?cid=3-86-92

I don't recall the OP mentioning manic episodes.
I'm assuming Carrie that one of the people you mentioned was me. The only reason I brought it up is that in a lot of cases, Bi-Polar disorder principally manifests itself in individuals with signs of depression. It takes a trained professional to determine the difference. In other words the patient maybe depressed more often than they are hypo-manic or manic. In these cases treating depression with anti-depressants is something Drs are reluctant to do because they can push the patient into mania.

I was only warning that an over the counter medication like St. Johns wort ( which I believe you brought up) should be dealt with caution.

I am very aware that the OP is talking principally about clinical depression however if you have been depressed for a long period of time you definitely need a Dr who is trained in this field to diagnose you properly before even taking something like St. John's wort.

The other thing I got from the OPs post is that he/she is being treated by a GP. Too often GP's prescribe powerful anti-depressants without arranging a proper diagnosis. I only say this because he seems to be saying that he has been having this problem for sometime and it still isn't getting better even with the treatment he's been getting. With proper treatment for clinical depression the OP should be feeling better within weeks let alone three years. I think the OP needs to get a professional in the field to give him/her a proper diagnosis.
 

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so your reasoning despite the 3 years the OP has had depression and hasn't had results from regular depression meds (which by the way is extremely common and not the result of misdiagnosis) is that he's not suffering from depression but possibly bipolar disorder?

For bipolar disorder to be a diagnosis you need a manic episode.. period not maybe.. definitely.
 

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Carrie Moon said:
so your reasoning despite the 3 years the OP has had depression and hasn't had results from regular depression meds (which by the way is extremely common and not the result of misdiagnosis) is that he's not suffering from depression but possibly bipolar disorder?

For bipolar disorder to be a diagnosis you need a manic episode.. period not maybe.. definitely.
I believe I said that Carrie, about a PROPER DIAGNOSIS not my reasoning. As for the rest Carrie you are a little off base here in that there are several forms of Bi-Polar, but mainly it's what they call Bi-polar 1 and Bi-polar 2. I forget which one, I think 2, is predominately depression with cycles of what they call Hypomania and most patients never reach full blown mania. Here is the page from WEBMD on bi-polar, page 2 has a description of Bipolar 2:

http://www.webmd.com/depression/guide/bipolar-disorder-manic-depression

So actually your somewhat wrong with this. Yes Bi-polar has to come with the swings between depression and hypo-mania/mania but hypomania can be as simple as a period of time with increased energy which is not as obvious as full blown mania.

After three years of treatment, if he is not better he does need to see a Psychiatrist and not a GP. I can't believe any Psychiatrist would say to him - "Buck it up" as the OP said or would continue treating for clinical depression after this long of a time. That's why I keep saying he needs the proper diagnosis from an expert
 

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I'm not at all off-base but I think this discussion is...

The OP asked for help with depression and he thankfully got some advice and support. I don't know how much experience you have directly with the psychiatric profession other than online sites you are quoting but there are as many bad psychiatrists as GPs who can misdiagnose, mis-prescribe and mis-treat.. I've seen a lot of incompetent ones with respect to our family being involved. I've seen good ones too don't get me wrong.. thankfully we have one now for this particular family member's problem.

Offering alternative diagnoses here without any knowledge of the patients history is not helpful. Asking if he indeed has been diagnoses by a psychiatrist might be a good suggestion which you've done.

It's not at all uncommon for someone suffering depression to have no or limited success with medications. They are after all not a panacea for depression and in many cases can worsen it.
 

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I'm not at all off-base but I think this discussion is...
What is your problem your the one who took it down this path with the silly notion of using ST Johns wort on three year old problem and then making erroneous comments after that. Now because your proven dead wrong you have to act like this, pathetic.
 
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