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SchlongConery

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Fuck the bikers, they're lucky more of them aren't hurt or dead. With my kid in the car, I would have used the truck against them. There's no way I'm stopping for them to pull me out and almost kill me.

Here is some incredibly damning video of the douchebag who got run over. You simply cannot excuse this kind of driving and his attitude would have eventually gotten him killed soon enough anyways.

And he never had a drivers kicense!
 

Aardvark154

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Jeremiah Mieses or his estate has cause for a civil suit (but given the circumstances may not recover nearly what his family thinks he should) but criminal charges - no.
 

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I'm glad the punk kid is being charged for doing something really dumb and the other guy had the sense to turn himself in. On the other hand, I don't think they would just randomly choose a car to pick on. Something pissed off the bikers enough to slam on the brakes and box the SUV in.
I don't think so in my opinion. I think that a bunch of bikers were doing a ride and felt entitled to take up the entire highway. Driving past cars in erratic ways not really caring. In the first few second of the video you see Cruz in the lane with the SUV, completely right beside the driver looking in his SUV. You hear the honk of the horn, and then Cruz moves ahead, into the lane completely and hits his breaks. So to me, that seems like Cruz was pissed off - yes, but because the driver of the SUV called him out on his driving and rightly so. You come sideways into my lane, I am honking at you.

I try very hard to watch for bikers on the road. Truckers too. I gave them lots of lead time both front and back if I can. I have members in my family that are bikers and truckers. So I give extra care as I hope drivers would do for my family. I don't see how the SUV could have done anything different up to that point. I think after he should have driven right to a police station. Wife should have been on the phone with police. Something but before the incident I see it as Cruz's fault the whole way with no excuse for his driving.
 

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NYPD are saying that Christopher Cruz was entirely responsible due to his erratic operation and deliberate slamming on of his brakes.

They have no plans to bring any charges against Mr. Lien.

Further, a second suspect Allen Edwards, has turned himself into police he smashed in the rear seat window next to the two-year old.
Deliberately slamming on his brakes on the expressway, what do these guys think what would happen? You think the stopping distance of the motorcycle is quicker than the SUV? Hope these guys have their donor cards filled out???
 

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A lot of people are not paying full attention while driving these days. So I see this incident as a combination of distracted driving causing a near miss, which later caused a collision and altercation that escalated further when the SUV driver freaked out and rammed the bikes. A series of unfortunate events. I don't see it as a completely unprovoked assault. I'm not excusing the bikers, but getting run over by an SUV would inflame anyone.

To me, it seems that many distracted drivers are in luxury SUV's. Just my observations and hardly scientific. On more than one occasion, I've had those types of vehicles not keeping their lane, had their high beams on in my rear-view, driving too slow, etc. No surprise that they are usually texting or talking on the phone. Could be that they don't appreciate how large their vehicle is and how much space it takes up on the road.

This could be a case where the SUV driver accidentally cut a biker off before the start of the video, which inadvertently caused the others to gang up. There definitely were gestures or words between the SUV driver and the biker before the collision. It also looks like the biker and the driver slowed down quite orderly and didn't jam on the brakes until the very last second. You can't really tell since the camera man drives past the scene of the collision. Rear ending the motorcycle was bad enough, but it just got worse when the SUV drove over the bikes. Definitely provoked them further. What I can't understand is why the SUV driver didn't lock his doors after the original entanglement.

Unfortunately, it does look like both parties are equally to blame after the collision. It's not right for bikers to force someone to stop on the highway and damage his car. It's also not right for the SUV driver to intentionally drive over the bikers. Could he not have honked or warned the bikers somehow? At the end of the day, it's one of those situations where we'll never know how to act until we're in this situation. I guess all you can do is lock your doors, invest in a dash cam, stay calm, try not to hit anyone and call the cops.


Your right. I would've driven cautiously within such a pack. If I was the driver and they were slashing my tires, I'd take pics or a video with my camera phone and call 911 on my BT. Getting a license plate # might help. I would let insurance pay for the damage. Not worth to take violent action against a someone for a fender bender or reckless driving unless I was attacked for no reason and defending myself from harm.
 

GPIDEAL

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Here is some incredibly damning video of the douchebag who got run over. You simply cannot excuse this kind of driving and his attitude would have eventually gotten him killed soon enough anyways.

And he never had a drivers kicense!

The police charged reckless endangerment by the bikers, and the swarming scared the SUV driver who wanted to get away which caused this accident. The media last night showed clips of his grieving family, making him almost look like an innocent victim.

Cruz dangerously slowed down. If I was the driver, I'd be calling the cops and taking a video while waiting for help, using my side mirrors to see if they were slashing my tires. However, people panic and in this case, perhaps rightly so.

Cruz probably doesn't have insurance.

They should ban him from ever riding again as well as some of those other punks with big toys.
 
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Your right. I would've driven cautiously within such a pack. If I was the driver and they were slashing my tires, I'd take pics or a video with my camera phone and call 911 on my BT. Getting a license plate # might help. I would let insurance pay for the damage. Not worth to take violent action against a someone for a fender bender or reckless driving unless I was attacked for no reason and defending myself from harm.
They had removed their plates to conceal their identity, presumably meaning they were planning to break the law before they even got on their bikes.
 

Ironhead

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This is perhaps why you need a gun in the crazy USA.

I would have shot to kill any mofo who tried to get in my car.

However, didn't the Range Rover cause this in the first place by rear-ending one of the wacko motorcyclists (they're not 'bikers' - let's not give them that higher status)?
Hmmm ... point taken, you are correct. They are not 'bikers'.





Fuck the bikers, they're lucky more of them aren't hurt or dead. With my kid in the car, I would have used the truck against them. There's no way I'm stopping for them to pull me out and almost kill me.
Same here, use vehicle to defend yourself and your family.
Stupid motorcyclists thought they could stop a SUV and then do whatever they wanted ? Small bikes vs large SUV ... SUV wins everytime.
 

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They had removed their plates to conceal their identity, presumably meaning they were planning to break the law before they even got on their bikes.

The police should monitor these outlaws and crack down on them. Confiscate their bikes. Fuck 'em.
 

GPIDEAL

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Hmmm ... point taken, you are correct. They are not 'bikers'.
What I mean is that they are just outlawing PUNKS. They don't deserve the distinction of being a 'biker' like a bone fide criminal organization such as the Hell's Angels, lol. Hell's Angels usually respect road laws and other motorists.
 

Ironhead

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Here is some incredibly damning video of the douchebag who got run over. You simply cannot excuse this kind of driving and his attitude would have eventually gotten him killed soon enough anyways.

And he never had a drivers kicense!
Come on people. They seem incredibly concerned for public safety as you can see when the cautiously go through the red light.(yes I am being sarcastic)

Obviously not the brightest guys in NYC.
 

GameBoy27

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And just some additional information on the driver: His real name is Edwin E. Mieses Jr, his driver's licence has been revoked this May. According to a posting in FB, he "is a Massachusetts resident, he has never had a valid Massachusetts driver’s license for a passenger vehicle and has never applied for a motorcycle license, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said.

Registry records show that Mieses applied for a learner’s permit in 1999 and 2000, but that he never obtained a full license because he failed to pay fines imposed after he was ticketed for speeding in Lawrence in 1999. His last contact with the Registry was in 2001, when he obtained an identification card, registry records show.

Since 1999, he has been ticketed by police 16 times, in Lawrence, Methuen, Roxbury, Andover, and New Hampshire, according to registry records.

In June, the Registry notified the National Driver Register that Mieses was a habitual traffic offender whose right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017, records show.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2e2_1380707420#QTgm6ejM0GKRwAbk.99
Karma's a bitch!
 

Aardvark154

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The real life New York County (Manhattan) District Attorney's Office is not "Law and Order" If the New York Post is correct, my first impression is that I've have made a different decision.

Perhaps in the case of Christopher Cruz,the charge of Endangering the Welfare of a Child is one to be dropped for a guilty plea, but from what I've seen the Reckless Operation charge seems solid.

As to Allen Edwards, I'm puzzled as to why they don't consider Endangering the Welfare of a Child or Terrorizing (presuming New York has such a charge) appropriate.
 

Rono

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This happens here as well.
I was driving back from up north along the 407 this summer when about 30-40 of these guys came up fast behind us. I was doing about 120km/hr. They passed my car and slowed down to about 80-90 making all the cars need to slow down quickly as all lanes were being blocked. That was the extent of it, but it is pretty scary when these guys are all around you. One guy was doing a wheelie at 100km/hr. People in my car were scared and kept telling me to slow down, but I refused to go below 90km/hr. One biker was about 10 feet in front of me then sped off. Apparently, these guys will target expensive cars and claim a minor traffic accident if you bump them and then ask for cash for repairs to the bike. If you don't pay up they slash your tire.
I have a dash cam in my car, I bought it after a very rude police encounter (expired plate sticker) so I could capture any more incidents with the Po-Po. I would have done the same thing as the SUV driver. In fact, I would have backed up over them when the SUV was trapped.
 

GPIDEAL

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This happens here as well.
I was driving back from up north along the 407 this summer when about 30-40 of these guys came up fast behind us. I was doing about 120km/hr. They passed my car and slowed down to about 80-90 making all the cars need to slow down quickly as all lanes were being blocked. That was the extent of it, but it is pretty scary when these guys are all around you. One guy was doing a wheelie at 100km/hr. People in my car were scared and kept telling me to slow down, but I refused to go below 90km/hr. One biker was about 10 feet in front of me then sped off. Apparently, these guys will target expensive cars and claim a minor traffic accident if you bump them and then ask for cash for repairs to the bike. If you don't pay up they slash your tire.
I have a dash cam in my car, I bought it after a very rude police encounter (expired plate sticker) so I could capture any more incidents with the Po-Po. I would have done the same thing as the SUV driver. In fact, I would have backed up over them when the SUV was trapped
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Are you serious? I once considered getting security cams years ago after my tires were slashed by a stripper's jealous BF ago but they aren't like modern dash cams. Please PM me info or post a link here on dash cams.

I like your suggestion that the SUV should have backed up over them.

If I see a swarm of these menacing bikes on the 407, I'll call the cops. There are some decent people out there though who ride in packs and obey the law.
 
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afterhours

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I would have done the same thing as the SUV driver. In fact, I would have backed up over them when the SUV was trapped.
I was surprised he did not do that. Would seem to have been a very natural thing to do.
 

explorerzip

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The police should monitor these outlaws and crack down on them. Confiscate their bikes. Fuck 'em.
Lifetime ban on owning a motorcycle is a suitable punishment. If any of them have been involved in these confrontations before, then a life time ban on driving is even more suitable.
 
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