Pack of motorcyclists chase driver in NYC
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I also just bought one. Got from a Chinese Company. Took a couple of weeks to arrive. Works great just set it up and it turns on and off with the car.
http://www.dinodirect.com/2-7-lcd-c...lt-in-gps-motion-detection-looping-video.html
An off-duty, NYPD undercover officer was among the pack of motorcyclists who chased a Financial District family up the West Side Highway — and he stood by as the dad was hauled from his car and beaten, The Post has learned.
The unidentified narcotics officer only came forward Wednesday night, four days after the caught-on-video biker predation, and is described as a motorcycle hobbyist who rides with Front Line Soldiers, a New Rochelle-based group that also counts several other cops among its members, a source said.
Internal Affairs is investigating whether those cops, too, were among the bikers, and whether any of them are also witnesses to the beating that left Internet exec Alexian Lien bleeding on the pavement as his wife and toddler daughter cowered inside their black Range Rover.
The unidentified narcotics officer only came forward Wednesday night, four days after the caught-on-video biker predation, and is described as a motorcycle hobbyist who rides with Front Line Soldiers, a New Rochelle-based group that also counts several other cops among its members, a source said.
Internal Affairs is investigating whether those cops, too, were among the bikers, and whether any of them are also witnesses to the beating that left Internet exec Alexian Lien bleeding on the pavement as his wife and toddler daughter cowered inside their black Range Rover.
Thanks for humoring me
[Seriously, I would not have pissed off any biker in the first place, driven slowly and cautiously, and if they slashed my tires, so be it, but I would've taken pics or videos and been on the phone with the police].
Suction cup on the wind-shield usually and the power supply is a 12V cigarette lighter socket. I believe some models have an internal battery too. I've got a 4-sight one, it works great and has a flip down screen, and automatically turns on and off.
I agree. The undercover could have intervened without revealing that he's a cop. A simple 'stop' or 'get out of the way of the truck' would be enough to prevent that one biker from getting run over. On the other hand, one person (even a trained cop) against a horde would be putting himself in grave danger. Remember he's off duty and undercover so likely isn't carrying any weapons or armour. He definitely could not call fro back up.
It also looks like there were a lot of bikers involved and he might not even seen the collision. The collision and altercation after was so quick, that the undercover might simply not have reacted in time.
Why the cop waited four days to come forward is quite troubling because he could easily have told his superiors or called an anonymous tip line. I assume NYC has a Crime Stoppers type program too.
He could, at the very least, have called for backup. He could have gathered identifying information. He could have stuck around afterwards to render assistance to the injured man.
Sounds like in fact he was one of the mob, guilty as all the others, and is coming forward only to forestall his own eventual identification by the investigation.
Sounds like in fact he was one of the mob, guilty as all the others, and is coming forward only to forestall his own eventual identification by the investigation.
We don't know where this cop was in relation to the other bikers or the accident. Making him out as part of the angry mob (slashing tires, smashing glass, etc.) or being guilty is a stretch at this point. He might not have been able to call for backup without revealing his identity, but I agree that the cop could have got the injured man out of the way and tended to him afterwards assuming that he was close enough.
I'm not sure if they confirmed the cop did not stay at the scene after the collision either. I don't think you'll able to prove this either way because the other riders did not know they had an undercover off-duty cop with them. It's a huge security breach if some of the riders actually knew there was an undercover cop with them.
We also don't know the protocols the cop has to follow while undercover and off-duty. There could be tight restrictions on how, when and if they can get involved in confrontations like this, whether to maintain strict radio silence, etc. that may have been the reason why the cop didn't do anything. I don't think you'll get anyone here admitting that they are an active duty (or even retired) undercover cop or the rules they have to follow, so there's no way to tell what the cop in question should or could have done.
Perhaps the investigation will recommend changes to the rules where undercover cops are allowed and expected to intervene. We'll probably never know what those changes if any will be.
It looks to me like this this pack of bikers were just a bunch of guys messing around when one of them makes a boneheaded move and slows down in front of the
RangeRover. In the strict eyes of the law, the driver of the Rover would be at fault for the accident because he hit the Biker.
In my eyes, it seems like the Rover's driver either paniked or took an attitude that he was not going to be intimidated.
Once he hit the Biker, and they surrounded him, he probably freaked out thinking he was going to get the beatdown, robbed etc.
Again, he either paniked, or decided him and his family were in danger or both when he ran the biker over.
In truth if these bikers were out to do harm, guns would have been pulled out, and the SUV driver would be dead right now.
Not necessarily true. "Brake checking" (intentionally and rapidly slowing down or stopping on a highway for no reason other than to mess with the vehicle behind) someone is a form of reckless/careless driving in many jurisdictions.
I believe you are correct, but I believe that the onus is on the driver who rear ends the other to prove that the guy he hit was "brake checking".
And it is worth noting that no one was seriously hurt until after they started slashing his tires and breaking into the SUV. He was under a real physical attack.
I am strongly opposed to "stand your ground" type laws and believe there should be a duty to retreat. I am highly critical of the belief that using violence is a good solution to problems.
But really, under ANY use of force doctrine, by the time your tires have been slashed and a mob is actively smashing your window to try and get to you, your are under full attack and entitled to use force to break away from the attack and flee.
That is just what he did.
It is suction cup mounted. Has a Cigarette lighter plug and a USB plug. It has an internal battery.
Yes, this isn't an impossible burden to meet. Witness testimony, credibility of the parties etc. . . all come into play also dashcam video if any.
In this case I believe that there is absolutely no problem at all in proving that Christopher Cruz stopped short (brake checking) and was operating his motorcycle recklessly.
