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Our President Does not bow to other leaders

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So why is it shiver inducing that we would respond differently to a monarchy and that I'd think you'd struggle to understand that based on where you grew up?

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I think it has more to do with respecting foreign customs.
 

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I think anyone raising this as an issue is implicitly saying that their other complaints against Obama don't hold water.

Otherwise, why would you make a big deal out of something as trivial as this, unless you were grasping at straws?
 

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I think it has more to do with respecting foreign customs.
SO;

Again, stop typing so fast will ya. What he said.

When you're in someone else's home, it's really nice if you can show respect for their customs and it goes a long way to setting down a strong foundation for a very good friendship. When someone says/thinks 'it's my way or too bad', it really is being a bore and guaranteed to draw less than kind responses.
 

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I think anyone raising this as an issue is implicitly saying that their other complaints against Obama don't hold water.

Otherwise, why would you make a big deal out of something as trivial as this, unless you were grasping at straws?
Or insecure.
 

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This really a non-issue. It simply demonstrates the genius of the conservative talking heads and bloggers of turning the most trivial of items into full blown criticisms of Obama and hijacking the media. They did the same with Clinton. If they cannot win electorally they are committed to insuring that lawfully elected President is prevented from governing. And we play into their hands by not ignoring it. If you saw the paper today Cheney has no chimed in by saying it shows weakness to the enemies of the US. Any Al Queda attack will now undoubtedly be the fault of Obama for bowing. If it wasn't completely insane this would be quite funny.
 

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I think anyone raising this as an issue is implicitly saying that their other complaints against Obama don't hold water.

Otherwise, why would you make a big deal out of something as trivial as this, unless you were grasping at straws?
I think that might be an over simplification.

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The President of the United States does not bow to the Emperor of Japan any more than does the Queen.

Yes it is a significant diplomatic faux pas, yes it is causing a fair amount of mainstrean flap in the U.S.
Of course business leaders always bow to their Japanese counterparts or competitors. Glad Obama is making his own way.
 

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Of course business leaders always bow to their Japanese counterparts or competitors. Glad Obama is making his own way.
Only if they want to get into the Japanese markets in which the doors are quite closed. If the Japanese have their doors wide opened, or when the Japanese want to get into foreign markets, those business leaders are not bowing.

Gyaos Baltar.
 

Aardvark154

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I think it has more to do with respecting foreign customs.
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."

General Sir Charles James Napier, GCB*
Commander-in-Chief, India
In response to complaints about the prohibition of Sati/Suttee

* A great-great-grandson of King Charles II
 

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I love how the same people who jump all over conservatives/Republicans for the slightest perceived gaff, cry foul when a liberal/Democrat's gaff is brought to light.
 

Anynym

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This really a non-issue.
It may be a non-issue to you, but Obama telling the world through his actions that America considers itself subservient to Japan, to England, to just about every other nation on earth makes a huge difference to millions of people around the world.

You may not understand the language of international relations, but that doesn't make it unimportant on the world stage.
 

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I find it quite interesting that there are a fair number of Canadian board members who so throughly misunderstand U.S. attitudes on this topic - which is about the expected behaviour of those officialy representing the United States of America - not about the behaviour of private persons. Further, that it is nothing new, that it dates back to the foundation of the Republic. Even when articles in The New York Times on the topic are posted they are just brushed aside.


As "Mr. Spock" would say "Fascinating, Captain quite fascinating."
 

blackrock13

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It may be a non-issue to you, but Obama telling the world through his actions that America considers itself subservient to Japan, to England, to just about every other nation on earth makes a huge difference to millions of people around the world.

You may not understand the language of international relations, but that doesn't make it unimportant on the world stage.
and from Aartie;

Quote:I find it quite interesting that there are a fair number of Canadian board members who so throughly misunderstand U.S. attitudes on this topic - which is about the expected behavior of those officialy representing the United States of America - not about the behaviour of private persons. Further, that it is nothing new, that it dates back to the foundation of the Republic. Even when articles in The New York Times on the topic are posted they are just brushed aside. Quote

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Now you see, I don't read this at and apparently a lot of other readers here don't see this. I would say that only those who might be unsure of their place in the greater scheme of thing would see this as a position of weakness. Remember that thread not too long ago as to how DUMB some Americans are about even the most basic of things, their own government and the relationship with their best friends to the north. Now imagine these same people trying to understand the complex worlds of international relations and diplomacy. NUTS!!!
 

Anynym

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Now you see, I don't read this at and apparently a lot of other readers here don't see this. I would say that only those who might be unsure of their place in the greater scheme of thing would see this as a position of weakness. Remember that thread not too long ago as to how DUMB some Americans are about even the most basic of things, their own government and the relationship with their best friends to the north. Now imagine these same people trying to understand the complex worlds of international relations and diplomacy. NUTS!!!
Some Canadians do understand that what happens on the world stage does matter, even though they don't quite understand why.

For example, the Liberal Party of Canada have repeatedly attacked the Prime Minister for offending the Chinese People by not attending the opening ceremonies of the Olympics in Beijing. They understand that there is more said in action than in word.

Unfortunately, there is no precedent that says that a Leader must attend the opening ceremonies. And we would be fools to suggest that any Heads of State absent in Vancouver are insulting Canadians.
 

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It may be a non-issue to you, but Obama telling the world through his actions that America considers itself subservient to Japan, to England, to just about every other nation on earth makes a huge difference to millions of people around the world.
Really got yourself all worked up about this haven't you? Btw you never did explain George's groping incident.
 

Anynym

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Really got yourself all worked up about this haven't you? Btw you never did explain George's groping incident.
What on earth are you talking about? You said something about "explain George" without any reference whatsoever to what you meant.

For ease of communication, it helps if you at least explain your complaint. I don't read minds.
 

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Is this totally useless thread still alive? Talk about something important, health care, Afganistan, Iraq, Palistine, nuclear proliferation, Pakistan, global warming, or don't you understand these issues?
 

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What on earth are you talking about? You said something about "explain George" without any reference whatsoever to what you meant.

For ease of communication, it helps if you at least explain your complaint. I don't read minds.
Try backing yourself up to post #38.
 

blackrock13

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"General Sir Charles James Napier, GCB*
Commander-in-Chief, India
In response to complaints about the prohibition of Sati/Suttee

* A great-great-grandson of King Charles II"

Charles the Second wasn't one of the brightest tools in the Royal's shed. That lineage is something I might want to keep quiet about.
 

blackrock13

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What I'm still looking for is some reference that says the POTUS doesn't bow down to anyone and I suspect there isn't one. It's simply attitude that makes American's think that. If there was one someone on this thread would have flashed it up really fast.
 
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