Nothing wrong with opinions, and we are guilty of that on this BB, but just phrase it as such and not as fact.
Our President Does not bow to other leaders
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Just for my own edification is it all foreigners who are shrewd and duplicitous or just some?
Quite a request but I start by offering diplomatic guidelines. I'm not sure it's a constitutional question but,
5.2 b) Every country has its distinct culture with its own values and customs. These particularities are subtle and at times complex, and include behaviour that go beyond customary dress codes or local rules of etiquette. Representatives are expected to make an effort to understand local culture, and before arriving on an assignment abroad, should familiarize themselves with the customs and practices of the host country. Special attention should be paid to the implications of these customs and practices for relations with locally-engaged staff. Among other resources available, the Centre for Intercultural Learning of the Canadian Foreign Service Institute provides services including pre-departure sessions on intercultural effectiveness, communication and professional and social behaviour abroad.
http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/department/conduct-abroad-en.asp
There doesn't seem to be any exceptions mentioned here, So we'll conclude all official representatives of Canada.
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In other words, you are saying that a lot of the American psyche is very insecure and not very smart.
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I've corrected your comment to be a little more accurate.
In other words, you are saying that a lot of the American psyche is very insecure and not very smart.
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I've corrected your comment to be a little more accurate.
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Okay, since you like things written down, please point me to the comprehensive reference on Constitutional Conventions in Canada.
Quite a request but I start by offering diplomatic guidelines. I'm not sure it's a constitutional question but,
5.2 b) Every country has its distinct culture with its own values and customs. These particularities are subtle and at times complex, and include behaviour that go beyond customary dress codes or local rules of etiquette. Representatives are expected to make an effort to understand local culture, and before arriving on an assignment abroad, should familiarize themselves with the customs and practices of the host country. Special attention should be paid to the implications of these customs and practices for relations with locally-engaged staff. Among other resources available, the Centre for Intercultural Learning of the Canadian Foreign Service Institute provides services including pre-departure sessions on intercultural effectiveness, communication and professional and social behaviour abroad.
http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/departm...-abroad-en.asp
There doesn't seem to be any exceptions mentioned here, So we'll conclude all official representatives of Canada.
as far as the american guidelines go, they indicate much the same.
Throughout the world, greeting and leave-taking customs may include handshakes, salutatory
gestures or other specific expressions. If there is such a tradition, use it with host country
nationals, foreigners and fellow staff members. Failure to abide with tradition may be
interpreted as rudeness or a lack of respect for colleagues. .........
..............Outside the formal international diplomatic culture, another circle of customs and attitudes
exists at the homes and private gatherings of host country citizens. Remember that as a guest,
one is expected to respect the host's culture. Culture, of course, is unique to each country.
Researching publications that describe in detail the particular customs of your new post
before your departure will facilitate the transition process.
In addition to the social red flags, be aware of other guest responsibilities. These guidelines
hold true whether you are attending a formal international event or a local party.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/state/protocol_for_diplomats.pdf
in addition refer to;
• , Protocol: The Complete Handbook of Diplomatic, Official and Social Usage, 25th Anniversary Edition by Mary Jane McCaffree, Pauline Innis, and Richard M. Sand,
That's the best I could do on short notice Anynym. Hope it's helpful. No mention of any exemption so I guess the POTUS is included.
Originally Posted by Anynym
Okay, since you like things written down, please point me to the comprehensive reference on Constitutional Conventions in Canada.
Quite a request but I start by offering diplomatic guidelines. I'm not sure it's a constitutional question but,
5.2 b) Every country has its distinct culture with its own values and customs. These particularities are subtle and at times complex, and include behaviour that go beyond customary dress codes or local rules of etiquette. Representatives are expected to make an effort to understand local culture, and before arriving on an assignment abroad, should familiarize themselves with the customs and practices of the host country. Special attention should be paid to the implications of these customs and practices for relations with locally-engaged staff. Among other resources available, the Centre for Intercultural Learning of the Canadian Foreign Service Institute provides services including pre-departure sessions on intercultural effectiveness, communication and professional and social behaviour abroad.
http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/departm...-abroad-en.asp
There doesn't seem to be any exceptions mentioned here, So we'll conclude all official representatives of Canada.
as far as the american guidelines go, they indicate much the same.
Throughout the world, greeting and leave-taking customs may include handshakes, salutatory
gestures or other specific expressions. If there is such a tradition, use it with host country
nationals, foreigners and fellow staff members. Failure to abide with tradition may be
interpreted as rudeness or a lack of respect for colleagues. .........
..............Outside the formal international diplomatic culture, another circle of customs and attitudes
exists at the homes and private gatherings of host country citizens. Remember that as a guest,
one is expected to respect the host's culture. Culture, of course, is unique to each country.
Researching publications that describe in detail the particular customs of your new post
before your departure will facilitate the transition process.
In addition to the social red flags, be aware of other guest responsibilities. These guidelines
hold true whether you are attending a formal international event or a local party.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/state/protocol_for_diplomats.pdf
in addition refer to;
• , Protocol: The Complete Handbook of Diplomatic, Official and Social Usage, 25th Anniversary Edition by Mary Jane McCaffree, Pauline Innis, and Richard M. Sand,
That's the best I could do on short notice Anynym. Hope it's helpful. No mention of any exemption so I guess the POTUS is included.
Regrettably, you truly are being a jackass on this point and that's being polite. Yet, I truly do not understand why. Perhaps some day you will have the opportunity to look back and say gee of all things that poster on TERB knew whereof they spoke.
You, I trust do realize that there is a vast gulf fixed between an Ambassador or Minister and a junior consul - your great bible http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/..._diplomats.pdf being written for the latter not the former.
The U.S. has by now an over two century old tradition of Ambassadorial behaviour and by extension the diplomatic behaviour of the President, Vice-President etc. . . further you do I trust realize I trust that FDR was the first President of the U.S. to travel outside the U.S. while in office.
It really is a shame that you have been told not too rudely what U.S. precedent is, but have choosen to ignore what you have been told presumably because you are enamored with the current President.
Oh no, I bitch slapped that dork in the Lou Dobbs thread. Use the Tomahawk missiles.
Gyaos Baltar.
As I said it was on short notice and not in my bailiwick. I believe Fred gave you very much the same line but you couldn't accept it.
Cultural differences being what they are, I’d say it was a good move from the Japanese point of view but a bad move from the American point of view.
From the Japanese point of view: The Japanese custom of showing humility and subservience to one another is actually quite phony. They believe that if you are so great, so self-confident that you can humble yourself to another without losing face. This is actually a reverse humility. It’s really saying, “I’m so much better than you, so I can bow to you and still think I’m better.”
From the Japanese point of view: The Japanese custom of showing humility and subservience to one another is actually quite phony. They believe that if you are so great, so self-confident that you can humble yourself to another without losing face. This is actually a reverse humility. It’s really saying, “I’m so much better than you, so I can bow to you and still think I’m better.”
Garbage.
You said that you wanted things written down.
Now tell me where exactly the entirety of the Constitution and all of its conventions is written.
So far, you have cited a few minor and incidental sources, none of which are anywhere near comprehensive. Not even fractionally so.
Morons on this board infuriate me.
Don't be one. Demonstrate to me that you actually have a clue what you're talking about, so that we can continue a civil discussion. Because as it is now, I don't think you do.
Now since the "copies', I believe 4 exist, of the Constitutions aren't even exactly the same, which version would you like me to pass on. You put so much value in this document and we've had this discussion before, it's not written in concrete so it can and does change from time to time. Remember the 23+ amendments from the original that are inserted to reflect the values of the time. It's not even a constitutional question we're discussing here. I can turn your demand around. Where is it written 'anywhere' saying the POTUS doesn't bow for that matter? Show me please then I'll stand down.
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That tradition survives at the whim of the President who is authorized to change it any time he sees fit to. The President is in fact the sole executive authority and is not bound by what you may consider to be tradition.
I'm amazed anyone thinks this is an issue.
The "incall downtown for tonight" was meant to be a reference to another thread on terb, famous for being very long and very pointless.
