Our President Does not bow to other leaders

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Charles the Second wasn't one of the brightest tools in the Royal's shed. That lineage is something I might want to keep quiet about.
King Charles II is actually one of my favorite Sovereigns a skillful monarch who quite successfully threaded the narrow and twisting channels of mid-seventeenth century Great Britain and died in his own bed in his own palace of natural causes.

Unfortunately he had no legitimate children, which in many ways is a tragedy since he had excellent paternal relations, something that wasn't really true again in the Royal family for at least another two centuries.
 

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look , it is not right for any US President ( republican or democrat) to bow or whatever to another person. Even the Pope.
The problem with Obama is that he has not earned any respect from anybody.
Oh sure they say he's a nice guy and a fresh new face, but after he leaves the room they laugh and say we can walk all over him.
He is scared to pull the trigger. He looks weak. He wants everybody to be his freind.
well he is going to learn the hard way just like kennedy did when he met kruschev the first time.
 

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What I'm still looking for is some reference that says the POTUS doesn't bow down to anyone and I suspect there isn't one. It's simply attitude that makes American's think that. If there was one someone on this thread would have flashed it up really fast.
Why am I even bothering!

That is like saying that before court dress went out of fashion the mere fact that for over a century and a half no U.S. Ambassador ever wore it was "simply attitude."

You don’t get it, you deliberately aren’t making any effort to get it, and you frankly don’t give a fig. If a U.S. National was so deliberately ignorant about Canadian or British tradition you doubtless would be all over them. There are many days when I’m proud of being able to span the U.S - Canadian divide, the past few days on this thread have not been among them.
 

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What I'm still looking for is some reference that says the POTUS doesn't bow down to anyone and I suspect there isn't one. It's simply attitude that makes American's think that. If there was one someone on this thread would have flashed it up really fast.
Okay, since you like things written down, please point me to the comprehensive reference on Constitutional Conventions in Canada.
 

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And? I've re-read post 38 and I still have no idea what on earth you're talking about. You've had your chance; I give up.
My point is that Obama bowed to the Emperor of Japan, in some people's opinion too far, and that George groped a foreign Chancellor who's immediate reaction was to raise both her hands with fists clenched. Which do you consider the bigger gaffe?
 

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The GOP call this 'news'

Is this totally useless thread still alive?
It's a testament to the success the GOP has achieved in their Dumbing Down campaign...:eek:
 

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look , it is not right for any US President ( republican or democrat) to bow or whatever to another person. Even the Pope.
The problem with Obama is that he has not earned any respect from anybody.
Oh sure they say he's a nice guy and a fresh new face, but after he leaves the room they laugh and say we can walk all over him.
He is scared to pull the trigger. He looks weak. He wants everybody to be his freind.
well he is going to learn the hard way just like kennedy did when he met kruschev the first time.
On what facts do you conclude that Obama has not earned the respect of world leaders or that they laugh when he leaves the room. If you would take your news from some place other than Fox I believe that his record is in fact pretty good in engaging in diplomacy which has been completely lacking for the last 8 years. The great accomplishments of the Bush presidency were what again?

By the way you may have been absent that day but Khrushchev backed down.
 

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Why am I even bothering!

That is like saying that before court dress went out of fashion the mere fact that for over a century and a half no U.S. Ambassador ever wore it was "simply attitude."

You don’t get it, you deliberately aren’t making any effort to get it, and you frankly don’t give a fig. If a U.S. National was so deliberately ignorant about Canadian or British tradition you doubtless would be all over them. There are many days when I’m proud of being able to span the U.S - Canadian divide, the past few days on this thread have not been among them.
Ignorance, like you don't touch the Queen. It's not supposed to happen, I learn that a 5 years of age, but it does. The big thing is that when our representatives do it ,the whole nation doesn't go off and exclaim horror. Then claims that we are the USA, so we shouldn't have to follow tradition or just plain good manners. That's the beef with what's gone on here.

Again the claim 'the POTUS doesn't have to do this, but no references are offered, just anecdotal examples, when there has been guidelines put forward by the office, the Protocol Office, that handles that exact kind of situation and says basically that it's all right to do it or it would be a good thing and so on. Maybe Obama can start a new tradition.
 
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blackrock13

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look , it is not right for any US President ( republican or democrat) to bow or whatever to another person. Even the Pope.
The problem with Obama is that he has not earned any respect from anybody.
Oh sure they say he's a nice guy and a fresh new face, but after he leaves the room they laugh and say we can walk all over him.
He is scared to pull the trigger. He looks weak. He wants everybody to be his freind.
well he is going to learn the hard way just like kennedy did when he met kruschev the first time.
Again according to to who? As far as respect of Obama is concerned there are a number of countries or people who respect him more than they ever respected Bush, especially in the Muslim nations, unless you have inside information.

Obama isn't scared of much. The good news is he's not trigger happy like so many Americans. Who was it that said, 'it was better to be slow and right than fast and wrong.'
 

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"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."

General Sir Charles James Napier, GCB*
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In response to complaints about the prohibition of Sati/Suttee

* A great-great-grandson of King Charles II
Nice quote, but I really don’t really think Obama not bowing would have been anywhere near on pair with burning women alive. I suppose that qualitatively there might have been a loose relationship, but quantitatively it would be very hard to compare Obama not bowing with burning women alive.
 

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On what facts do you conclude that Obama has not earned the respect of world leaders or that they laugh when he leaves the room. If you would take your news from some place other than Fox I believe that his record is in fact pretty good in engaging in diplomacy which has been completely lacking for the last 8 years. The great accomplishments of the Bush presidency were what again?

By the way you may have been absent that day but Khrushchev backed down.
my point was about Kruschev was that when Kennedy met the Soviet leader the firat time Kennedy came across as young and naive.
That is when Kruschev decided to put missiles in Cuba.
Yes Kruschev eventually did back down. Also after we made a deal to remove missiles from Turkey.
my point is Obama is coming across just like Kennedy. I hope he has Kennedy's strength and resolve later.
 

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my point was about Kruschev was that when Kennedy met the Soviet leader the firat time Kennedy came across as young and naive.
That is when Kruschev decided to put missiles in Cuba.
And you have that fact from where?
 

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Again according to to who? As far as respect of Obama is concerned there are a number of countries or people who respect him more than they ever respected Bush, especially in the Muslim nations, unless you have inside information.

Obama isn't scared of much. The good news is he's not trigger happy like so many Americans. Who was it that said, 'it was better to be slow and right than fast and wrong.'
It is my opinion, just like everybody else states opinions. I think i am right.
I have dealt with foreigners all my life. They are shrewd. They say one thing and think another. They are always thinking two- three steps steps ahead.
How do you know who Muslims repect more ? Bush or Obama?
you dont. Neither do I.
Obama wants everybody to like him.
He should get another dog.
 

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about how Kruschev felt about Kennedy?
it is well documented.
Also David Gergen said it the other day.
Please provide a reference.
 

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Why am I even bothering!

That is like saying that before court dress went out of fashion the mere fact that for over a century and a half no U.S. Ambassador ever wore it was "simply attitude."

You don’t get it, you deliberately aren’t making any effort to get it, and you frankly don’t give a fig. If a U.S. National was so deliberately ignorant about Canadian or British tradition you doubtless would be all over them. There are many days when I’m proud of being able to span the U.S - Canadian divide, the past few days on this thread have not been among them.
No it isn't.
 
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