Our Educational System

[buckwheat1]

There are a lot of teachers in the system that are trained outside of Ontario
like New York state and Austrillia, Why because tehy don't have teh marks to get into an Ontario bed program. Secondly most other provinces do have 2 year bed programs ontario has 1 year, However the college is looking at adding an additional year. Teachers in Ontario are trained in ther specific area junior/intermediate/senior, otehr provinces just have the training to cover both areas. Contracts have been 3-4 years however they used to be 2 year deals and bargained locally buy the boards. The last 2 rounds they were bargined locally but the money part was bargined by the provincial government so the only thing left ot bargin was what is called local issues.
the $711 that ETFO is asking foir deals with some more preptiime and some other things. They basically want to be an equal partner with high school teachers.

 

[LancsLad]

just a few thaughts from previous post.

Con ed as it's called is where a student is in teh education program from the beginning, this program is 5 years and tehy work on both a ba or bsc and the bed at the same time. This program is the harest way as it's true harden then med school to get into. My daughter is in it at Queens where they take
100 students teh cut off mark for entry is 90%. This year it's the higest average mark and it's @ 95%. This is highest of any entry at Queens. The demand is very high. The students who take this course already know they want to be teachers. The otehr route taking bed after 4 years is alos tough must have a 4.0 grade point average over years 3 and 4 aat university. Many of these students didn't make med school, lawyer ect so they end up being a teacher.
PS: the average teacher in Ontario works the national average of 56 hours per week and spends about $700 of there own money on supplies ect.

A teacher "working" 56 hours per week??

You do live in a union dreamworld, don't you.



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[buckwheat1]

do yourself a favour go by a school the last 2 weeks of august and look at the cars in the parking lot ask yopurself who's cars are they. They are teachers who are preparing there rooms free of charge to work on behalf of the kids. Know the facts before you speak. teachers only get paid for work between sept and june however some are paid over 12 months but that pay is only for sept june.

 

[buckwheat1]

how many are there for sports after school how many are there on weekend trips and sporting events. I went to school many stayed long hours and worked dam hard.

 

[buckwheat1]

those above are self employeed and the money spent is a tax write off. Doctors get paid piece work lawyers get paid by the time spent on a case.
Teachers get paid for there work Sept to june what is being said is they work on average of 56 hours per week knowone is complaining about what they get paid.

 

[LancsLad]

those above are self employeed and the money spent is a tax write off. Doctors get paid piece work lawyers get paid by the time spent on a case.
Teachers get paid for there work Sept to june what is being said is they work on average of 56 hours per week knowone is complaining about what they get paid.

I guess some teachers do "work" 56 hrs /wk, but that would be at their side job.


Look buttwheat said he saw pigs flying.


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[buckwheat1]

stop your whinning and go sit in a classroom, get over it and know the facts first

 

[buckwheat1]

your right some do work extra summer school many take courses @ 800.00 + each

 

[LancsLad]

your right some do work extra summer school many take courses @ 800.00 + each

That must really put a crimp in their holidays.





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[LancsLad]

your right some do work extra summer school many take courses @ 800.00 + each

Note to the OSSTF:




You might want to select a more articulate spokesman that buttwheat. He proves our point for us.




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[buckwheat1]

lol doesn't effect my holidays, Your the folks who says there always on holidays/vacation and some may be but lots are taking courses to improve.

 

[LancsLad]

lol doesn't effect my holidays, Your the folks who says there always on holidays/vacation and some may be but lots are taking courses to improve.

As I said. He makes our point for us. This is too easy.



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[buckwheat1]

we all know your one of Harpers friends!!!

 

[LancsLad]

we all know your one of Harpers friends!!!

That may be true but in no way does it change the view of teachers and their union that most people would form when reading your posts.


If you have in fact spent money on classes during the summer to "improve" yourself , you didn't absorb very much , it would seem.



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[Jade4u]

I remember when I was in public school and when I had problems with my homework my mom used to tell me to stay after school with the teacher and tell my teacher anytime I did not understand something and ask for extra help after school. The teachers used to stay and do it too. I would chase them right to thier cars and walk back to the classrooms with them. I've only met one teacher so far out of both my sons teachers that was willing and happy to stay after school with the children that wanted extra help and/or extra learning. He would stay and leave the classroom door open and you could walk by after school hours and know he was only in there teaching your child. I give that teacher an A plus because he truly had an interest in educating my child and others.

I have seen teachers that obviously do not want to be there and are moody over the littlest things/whiny and constantly bickering with the children (no patience) and others that just do thier jobs cannot really complain as they do thier jobs right but are gone as soon as the day is done and draw the line with thier job for today is done and then teachers that go the extra mile.

I guess I cannot complain about my sons teachers this year much as they do call if something is not complete and keep me up to date when something is not right but trust me come 3:10 you cannot find them in the building. They split faster than the children do.

 

[scouser1]

but trust me come 3:10 you cannot find them in the building. They split faster than the children do.

uhuh geez can I get a job at your imaginary school

 

[Rylan]

I remember when I was in public school and when I had problems with my homework my mom used to tell me to stay after school with the teacher and tell my teacher anytime I did not understand something and ask for extra help after school. The teachers used to stay and do it too. I would chase them right to thier cars and walk back to the classrooms with them. I've only met one teacher so far out of both my sons teachers that was willing and happy to stay after school with the children that wanted extra help and/or extra learning. He would stay and leave the classroom door open and you could walk by after school hours and know he was only in there teaching your child. I give that teacher an A plus because he truly had an interest in educating my child and others.

I have seen teachers that obviously do not want to be there and are moody over the littlest things/whiny and constantly bickering with the children (no patience) and others that just do thier jobs cannot really complain as they do thier jobs right but are gone as soon as the day is done and draw the line with thier job for today is done and then teachers that go the extra mile.

I guess I cannot complain about my sons teachers this year much as they do call if something is not complete and keep me up to date when something is not right but trust me come 3:10 you cannot find them in the building. They split faster than the children do.

Not been my experience. Every teacher has set up times that they are available for extra help in different subjects. Usually 2 days per week per subject, either before school and after school. For high school's it is a little different, but again times are set. You can always ask the teacher for extra help as well.

If this was not happening at either of my kids school's, I would be there in a heartbeat making sure it was done. I have had tutor services paid for by the board of education for my daughter who was struggling in math.

Again I will say parents need to take a more active roll in their child's education instead of looking at the school as their personal day care facility.

 

[a 1 player]

uhuh geez can I get a job at your imaginary school

I have seen the same at my daughters school. By 3:15, the staff parking lot is three quarters empty.

 

[Jade4u]

uhuh geez can I get a job at your imaginary school

Imaginary I wish. I have called at 3:10 several times not to interupt class time to talk to my sons teachers and know that they would still be outside loading the buses. Sometimes it is a case the teacher is on bus duty other times they page the class to see if the teacher is still there then they come back on the phone sorry she must've already left. I have been at my sons school several times and know how long it takes kids to get to the bus until it actually pulls away. Hence the teachers are already out the door and gone faster than the buses.

 

[Jade4u]

Not been my experience. Every teacher has set up times that they are available for extra help in different subjects. Usually 2 days per week per subject, either before school and after school. For high school's it is a little different, but again times are set. You can always ask the teacher for extra help as well.

If this was not happening at either of my kids school's, I would be there in a heartbeat making sure it was done. I have had tutor services paid for by the board of education for my daughter who was struggling in math.

Again I will say parents need to take a more active roll in their child's education instead of looking at the school as their personal day care facility.

Trust me hun I am at my childrens school more than most parents, writing notes constantly, meeting that are available I go to them. I think my number is on thier speed dial and they know my number by heart because when my children started this school they did not know who I was and I had to identify my children now I call and they just say hello Ms. ______, but most times that I find getting a teacher by phone the easiest is only if the teacher has called me first and asked me to return their call and then it is thank you for calling back other times it is hit or miss. That is when I resort to notes or go over personally. This does give you the impression that they only want to deal with parents when they want to deal with parents.

Oh and I also know when my eldest sons teacher is available and yes it is twice a week but not per subject and it is only in the morning which does not work unless I walk him over there, difficult to do with a baby especially if it is going to be cold in winter as he is bused to school. For my other son yes they made other accomodations for him and the librarian is giving him extra help at recesses twice a week. But, you do have to be constantly at them to get things done for your children.

So in a sense yes I agree parents have to be involved but it can be tiring to make success.