Oops Robby did it again!

[fuji]

So fuji, Ford taking drugs is editorial news, while billion dollar Smitherman rip-offs are not editorial??!

How the fuck do you dream this nonsense up.....LOL??!!

Why are we discussing the Star's editorial position?

My comment above was that their news desk is objective and unbiased. I take it we are in agreement on that now? Clearly opinion pieces are opinionated.

 

[AK-47]

Why are we discussing the Star's editorial position?

My comment above was that their news desk is objective and unbiased. I take it we are in agreement on that now? Clearly opinion pieces are opinionated

I dont really know WTF you're saying anymore, and I have a feeling you dont either.

Oh, and The Star is not objective, they lean heavily Left.
And they never went after Smitherman or Mazza the way they went after Rob Ford.

You're a kook if you believe that, fuji

 

[fuji]

AK-47 I have explained it to you repeatedly, why don't you stop and read one of my posts, then maybe you will be a little less igorant.

I am telling you that the Star's news desk is entirely separate from the editorial desk. Stop. Breathe, read that again: The Star's news desk is entirely separate from the editorial desk.

One more time: The Star's news desk is entirely separate from the editorial desk.

The news desk is best in the business, objective, and goes after any story anywhere without playing political favorites. They went after Ford because there was a story there, and there really was. They went after Mazza and they went after Smitherman because ORANG and eHealth were stories worth reporting on. Ditto way back in the day when they went after Chow/Layton for living in co-op housing. They do NOT play favorites. They gave a LOT of coverage to the eHealh and ORANG stories.

Their objectivity is proven.

You keep responding to these comments about the NEWS DESK by making comments about the EDITORIAL DESK, which is an *entirely* different thing. Nobody expect and nobody wants an editorial desk that is unbiased, the whole idea of an opinion column is to be opinionated. The Star is proudly left wing in its editorial policy, no doubt whatsoever about that, and that's the way it should be.

Here is an example of you just totally failing to get it: I point out that the news desk ran lots of stories on eHealth, and you reply, "why haven't they demanded" or "why haven't they persuaded", etc., demonstrating that you haven't got the least foggiest clue what the difference between news and editorial is. Demanding and persuading is opnion, it's editorial, nothing whasoever to do with reporting the news. They demand and persuade according to their very well known political beliefs in their editorial section, not in their news section. That's their opinion, but that has NOTHING to do with their news reporting.

The Star's news reporting is pretty much the best in Canada at this point. You literally cannot find another outfit that breaks more big stories than they do, and any honesty from you would lead to you admitting that they do that across the political spectrum, from Ford's crack smoking to eHealth.

 

[AK-47]

So fuji, you're saying the Ford witch-hunt was editorial and therefore justified, the Mazza and Smitherman issues didnt fall under editorial however but fell under news, and therefore the Star couldnt devote the same amount of coverage on them as they could on Rob Ford??

Is that what you're going with??

 

[fuji]

So fuji, you're saying the Ford witch-hunt was editorial and therefore justified

No. I am saying it was true, and therefore justified. Just like the Mazza story was true, and therefore justified.

You think the mayor of the city smoking crack is not news? The story was so big it ran worldwide in every country.

 

[Butler1000]

Go Tory!

 

[AK-47]

No. I am saying it was true, and therefore justified. Just like the Mazza story was true, and therefore justified.

You think the mayor of the city smoking crack is not news? The story was so big it ran worldwide in every country

I never said it wasnt news, I said I wish the Red Star would devote more of their time to multi-million and billion dollar scams like the ones Smitherman and Mazza pulled off.

Again, you have reading comprehension problems, I'm saying the Star's priorities are wrong and biased.
They should spend more time on government corruption, less time on what politicians do in their private time. But they can't, because they hate Ford on a personal level plus he's right-wing. A double whammy.

Oh, and dont get me started on McGuinty's gas plants

 

[fuji]

I never said it wasnt news, I said I wish the Red Star would devote more of their time to multi-million and billion dollar scams like the ones Smitherman and Mazza pulled off.

Again, you have reading comprehension problems, I'm saying the Star's priorities are wrong and biased.
They should spend more time on government corruption, less time on what politicians do in their private time. But they can't, because they hate Ford on a personal level plus he's right-wing. A double whammy.

Oh, and dont get me started on McGuinty's gas plants

The Star is the only reason you know about Mazza, they devoted more investigative resources to that story than any other paper in Canada. Their priority is news.

Why didn't the Sun devote as many resources to investigating Mazza or eHealth as the Star did????

 

[MattRoxx]

AK-47 is being a weasel. Now he says the problem isn't that the Star has not covered the stories but they haven't done it to his personal satisfaction. Which means he's just refusing to look.

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[oldjones]

Thanks Matt.

 

[AK-47]

Now he says the problem isn't that the Star has not covered the stories but they haven't done it to his personal satisfaction

Thats actually what I been saying all along. Try to keep up

AK-47 is being a weasel

The only weasels are you Liberals. Adscan, eHealth scam, Mazza's Ornge, McGuinty's gas planets, all this corruption was done by Libtards. Can you name any scandal Harper has been in?? Only one I can think of is the Duffy scandal, and that one pales in comparison to all the ones Liberals engaged in.

I guess I'm trying to say your lot is FUBAR corrupt :biggrin1:

 

[fuji]

Thats actually what I been saying all along. Try to keep up

The only weasels are you Liberals. Adscan, eHealth scam, Mazza's Ornge, McGuinty's gas planets, all this corruption was done by Libtards. Can you name any scandal Harper has been in?? Only one I can think of is the Duffy scandal, and that one pales in comparison to all the ones Liberals engaged in.

I guess I'm trying to say your lot is FUBAR corrupt :biggrin1:

Then you must Thank God that we have an objective, to notch paper like the Star so that you know about these things!

That is what is so hilarious, you keep citing Star exposés.

 

[AK-47]

Then you must Thank God that we have an objective, to notch paper like the Star so that you know about these things!

That is what is so hilarious, you keep citing Star exposés.

I already said its excellent reporting, much better then The Sun on this account. I just wish they wouldnt be so biased and spent more time pushing for jail terms and criminal charges on guys like Mazza & Smitherman, as opposed to following Ford around to see if he's smoking crack this weekend

 

[AdamH]

I already said its excellent reporting, much better then The Sun on this account. I just wish they wouldnt be so biased and spent more time pushing for jail terms and criminal charges on guys like Mazza & Smitherman, as opposed to following Ford around to see if he's smoking crack this weekend

They weren't "following Ford around to see if he's smoking crack this weekend". They were reporting on this city's chief magistrate having a brutal and obvious substance abuse problem (and his childish refusal to do anything about it). They were reporting on his continued relationship with this city's violent criminal underworld. They were reporting on his allegedly operating a motor fucking vehicle (on at least one occasion with his kids allegedly in tow) under the fucking influence.. Maybe this is just "fluff" to you.. But to me (and any other rational person) it's news that I want to know about.

News about Rob Ford didn't get big because the Star reported on it.. The Star was reporting on Rob Ford because it was big news.. That's why other newspapers (Toronto Sun for instance) ALSO had Rob Ford on their front page on more than one occasion.. Fuck, the Toronto Sun released a whole second paper one day that was entirely DEDICATED to Rob Ford being a fuck up...

 

[fuji]

I already said its excellent reporting, much better then The Sun on this account. I just wish they wouldnt be so biased and spent more time pushing for jail terms and criminal charges on guys like Mazza & Smitherman, as opposed to following Ford around to see if he's smoking crack this weekend

Again you mix up editorial (pushing for...) with investigative reporting (following around to see).

 

[MattRoxx]

I already said its excellent reporting, much better then The Sun on this account. I just wish they wouldnt be so biased and spent more time pushing for jail terms and criminal charges on guys like Mazza & Smitherman, as opposed to following Ford around to see if he's smoking crack this weekend

It's not the job of any newspaper to call for the arrest of people or to play as crown prosecutors. Why would even think that. Please show me some instances of Canadian newspapers insisting the police immediately arrest someone for a white collar crime. Not Amber Alerts or warnings about a rapist in a certain area, a specific call for the RCMP or OPP or TPS to run out and put the cuffs on someone specific over a governmental financial dispute.

Actually don't bother, unless you want to start another thread about The Role of Canadian Media As Law Enforcement Deputies or something like that.

 

[MattRoxx]

What an awful derailment.
Y'know, when Ford comes back from holiday the shitshow is going to start up again. In the meantime, brother/enabler/Worst Campaign Manager Ever is not faring well. Here he is responding to a Globe and Mail story about his conflict of interest in the case of Apollo Cleaners, a Deco client he and Rob used their City Hall positions to try and help.

https://soundcloud.com/jennpags/doug-ford-on-globe-story

Doug says "no comment" 7 times in under 30 seconds, getting angrier each time.:hippie:

 

[oldjones]

I already said its excellent reporting, much better then The Sun on this account. I just wish they wouldnt be so biased and spent more time pushing for jail terms and criminal charges on guys like Mazza & Smitherman, as opposed to following Ford around to see if he's smoking crack this weekend

The day that criminal charges and jail terms depend on media stories is the day you get the lynch-mob rule you wish we had. Or is this another case where your typing hand got off its leash and ran amuck before you noticed?

You still haven't said just what crime you think Smitherman might have committed. If you have no idea, it would be best to drop that overstatement too, slander is never attractive.

 

[AdamH]

All AK-47 is saying is that he'd prefer it if The Toronto Star had opinions like The Toronto Sun and National Post..

That's literally his entire point...

 

[AK-47]

No, what I'm saying is politicians are fucking laughing all the way to the bank whenever they pull off one of their scams. Adscan, eHealth, Ornge, McGuinty gas plants, and on and on it goes. And why do these things keep happening, its because no Canadian politician has ever gone to jail over something like this. Heck, I cant even remember last time a major politician was charged criminally. And if it has happened its very, very rare.

So unless the media starts putting on the pressure and demanding some of these guys get charged or thrown in jail, these types of scandals will just keep happening, and your taxes will keep going up to recoup the losses