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https://www.wsj.com/article_email/r...n-began-1499890354-lMyQjAxMTI3MjE5MjExMzI0Wj/

WASHINGTON—U.S. intelligence agencies starting in the spring of 2015 detected conversations in which Russian government officials discussed associates of Donald Trump, several months before he declared his candidacy for president, according to current and former U.S. officials.

In some cases, the Russians in the overheard conversations talked about meetings held outside the U.S. involving Russian government officials and Trump business associates or advisers, these people said.

It isn’t clear which Trump associates or advisers the Russians were referring to, or whether they had any connection to his presidential aspirations.

The reports were gathered by intelligence agencies that routinely monitor Russian espionage against the U.S. Such efforts can include monitoring phone calls and emails as well as information from informants. The efforts weren’t aimed at Mr. Trump or his associates, these people said.
Emails released by President Trump's son Donald Trump Jr. offer evidence that senior campaign officials entertained accepting Russia’s help in the 2016 election. Trump has made a series of comments about Russia on the campaign trail and as president. Photo: Getty

The U.S. intelligence agencies weren’t sure what to make of the vague and inconclusive information, given that Mr. Trump had done business in Russia and was a global celebrity well-known to prominent people there. The names of Americans do sometimes show up in conversations involving Russian officials that are overheard by U.S. intelligence.

Now, in light of the release of emails Tuesday by Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son, investigators are going back to those early reports to see if they can understand them better.

The emails provide details about a meeting Donald Jr. arranged in June 2016—as his father was on the verge of clinching the Republican nomination—with a Kremlin-connected lawyer to discuss allegedly incriminating information about Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton obtained by the Russian government.

Donald Jr. and the Russian lawyer said no information on Mrs. Clinton was disclosed in the meeting. But the emails offer the first clear public evidence that senior officials in Mr. Trump’s camp were open to offers of assistance from Russia in his quest for the White House.

A lawyer for Mr. Trump didn’t return a call seeking comment on the overheard 2015 conversations.

As with other new revelations in the probes of Russian interference in the election, the Trump Jr. emails enable investigators to look at earlier reports with fresh eyes, and to ask new questions, the current and former officials said.

The reports on the 2015 conversations weren’t particularly illuminating, the people familiar with them said. Mr. Trump had business connections in Russia—he produced the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow—and had sold properties to Russians.

In that respect, the reports in and of themselves weren’t alarming. But they did have officials asking each other, “What’s going on?” one former official said.

Then, in the spring of 2016, U.S. intelligence officials’ suspicions about Russian meddling in the election grew after their counterparts in Europe warned that Russian money might be flowing into the presidential election, according to officials with knowledge of the warning. It remains unknown if or whether those funds were funneled to a particular campaign or to others to spend it on behalf of candidates.

In June 2016, officials at the Democratic National Committee revealed that their computer networks had been penetrated by hackers, whom the FBI and intelligence agencies later determined worked for the Russian intelligence services. Emails taken in those incursions subsequently were published by WikiLeaks, and in October, the site released emails that had been stolen from Mrs. Clinton’s campaign chairman, John Podesta.

At that point, intelligence officials had little doubt that the Russian government was attempting to interfere in the presidential elections. By the end of 2016, they concluded publicly that the Russian hacking campaign was meant to undermine Mrs. Clinton and help Mr. Trump.

Now, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and several congressional committees are probing Mr. Trump’s ties to Russia over the years, as is special counsel Robert Mueller
 

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When you look at this, along with the Steele dossier and Emin Agalarov's tweet about knowing what trump was doing in that hotel room, it seems Emin was Source D.
 

bver_hunter

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Actually the Wall Street Journal will not publish stuff like that unless there is corroborated evidence to that effect.
 

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Wow, when it comes out they also discussed HRC and her campaign advisers, is an investigation going to be launched about that?

So they discussed the Trump Campaign, I'm sure they discussed every campaign.
 

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Wow, when it comes out they also discussed HRC and her campaign advisers, is an investigation going to be launched about that?

So they discussed the Trump Campaign, I'm sure they discussed every campaign.
Yea.... and maybe investigate that pedophile pizza store Hillary was running. Trump probably got the idea of running from Putin
 

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Wow, when it comes out they also discussed HRC and her campaign advisers, is an investigation going to be launched about that?

So they discussed the Trump Campaign, I'm sure they discussed every campaign.
I'm sure they discussed both campaigns. Sentences like "how can we use our spies to sabotage Clinton and help Trump" clearly mention both.
 

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I'm sure they discussed both campaigns. Sentences like "how can we use our spies to sabotage Clinton and help Trump" clearly mention both.
Let's just say this is the case (hypothetically) THE SABOTAGE WAS THE 'TRUTH'. LOL. Imagine, the horror!!
 

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I think cooperating with foreign entities to obtain TRUE information about a political opponent and gain an advantage is acceptable.

The only thing illegal should be literally adding, deleting or transferring votes.
 

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Amazing how we've gone from no meetings/no dealings with Russian =====> Working with the Russians is perfectly fine.
 

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I think cooperating with foreign entities to obtain TRUE information about a political opponent and gain an advantage is acceptable.

The only thing illegal should be literally adding, deleting or transferring votes.
It's not. It's illegal under election law since foreign governments are not permitted to provide valuable materials to a campaign.

It's also in this case collaborating with foteign spies who engaged in criminal espionage. There is nothing acceptable about collaborating with criminals and foreign spies.

You should step back and examine whether your partisanship has caused you to adopt wholly unethical viewpoints. You must be experiencing a lot of cognitive dissonance trying to justify KGB attacks on Americans...
 

wigglee

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Let's just say this is the case (hypothetically) THE SABOTAGE WAS THE 'TRUTH'. LOL. Imagine, the horror!!
Is your head so far up your ass that you are unaware of the massive Russian cyber campaign to slag Hillary with fake news stories on the net? Are you still avoiding that pedophile pizza store??? The Russians used true stories and fabricated ones to help Trump win and Trump knew it and encouraged it, and his team had numerous meetings to facilitate it. TREASON.
 

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Is your head so far up your ass that you are unaware of the massive Russian cyber campaign to slag Hillary with fake news stories on the net? Are you still avoiding that pedophile pizza store??? The Russians used true stories and fabricated ones to help Trump win and Trump knew it and encouraged it, and his team had numerous meetings to facilitate it. TREASON.
How about obstruction of justice in the firings of Yates, Comey and also 100 US attourney's as a guise to fire Preet Bharara to stop him from prosecuting the Russian Money Launderer. How about Jared having to revise hi SF86 for a 3rd time now adding more than 100 foreign contacts.
 

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How about obstruction of justice in the firings of Yates, Comey and also 100 US attourney's as a guise to fire Preet Bharara. . . .
Well when there are criminal indictments, let alone convictions for any of this you be sure to let us know.

Until then this is merely more partisan Democratic political folderol.
 

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It's not. It's illegal under election law since foreign governments are not permitted to provide valuable materials to a campaign.

It's also in this case collaborating with foteign spies who engaged in criminal espionage. There is nothing acceptable about collaborating with criminals and foreign spies.

You should step back and examine whether your partisanship has caused you to adopt wholly unethical viewpoints. You must be experiencing a lot of cognitive dissonance trying to justify KGB attacks on Americans...
Like Ukrainians? And in the later using ex MI6 to contact Russian spies for salacious information?

Is that the type of example you are looking at.

Looking pretty legal to me.
 

Aardvark154

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It's illegal under election law since foreign governments are not permitted to provide valuable materials to a campaign.
Which if proven is a violation of campaign law (pay fine here). However, perhaps more importantly has any court ever held that information was an item of value (well perhaps new law will be made, but never before).
 

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Was that in 2000, or 1988, 2004, or 2012?
I'm not sure ... when was the piss tape made ?

I heard some democrat was talking about preparing articles of impeachment - is anyone on either side of the debate going to wait until the Mueller investigation is concluded ?
 

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