You can count on a right winger with an agenda to pick two cases of abuse to highlight. You don't think the current programs are being abused?
Ontario Basic Income Pilot: Good Riddance...
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Denmark? If life is so perfect in Denmark why don't more people immigrate there? Better question, why don't you move there if you believe it is such a Utopian society?How about supporting a livable minimum wage so a study like Ontario Basic Income Pilot would not be necessary? By the way, Denmark is a prime example for taking care of it's citizens.
hmmmm?
Too many people claim they are poor...but when you look deeper, the ones crying the loudest are the lazy ones milking the system and feeling entitled to have someone else pay for their "well being".
This type of thing is rampant especially when it comes to government hand outs.
I trust they had the data to prove that program was another Liberal boondoggle and that the money could be better spent elsewhere.How about supporting a livable minimum wage so a study like Ontario Basic Income Pilot would not be necessary? By the way, Denmark is a prime example for taking care of it's citizens.
And let's be honest here, even if they would publish it and it proved it was a failure, you wouldn't accept that and/or would move on to the next thing you want to be outraged out.
That's how the leftist mentality works: perpetually whine if you didn't get your way.
That was the tip of the iceberg.You can count on a right winger with an agenda to pick two cases of abuse to highlight. You don't think the current programs are being abused?
And considering it was a pilot, 2 cases are too many considering the controlled enrolment into the program.
This was nothing but a tactic by the Liberals to gain votes knowing they were going to get pulverized in upcoming election.
Let's not make this a moral issue.
What more facts do you need?There are no facts in the matter, Doogie cancelled the pilot before any such things could be determined or discovered. Are you suggesting Government by The Sun is what anyone voted for? Mainstream media? From TORONTO?
You gotta smoke safer stuff.
You think there were only 2 cases of people abusing this program?
Considering it was a pilot, you would think there would be better controls in place to actually do better screening.
But that wasn't the point of that program...the point was to sell a feel-good story so the Liberals could get more votes.
That was the tip of the iceberg.
And considering it was a pilot, 2 cases are too many considering the controlled enrolment into the program.
This was nothing but a tactic by the Liberals to gain votes knowing they were going to get pulverized in upcoming election.
Let's not make this a moral issue.
This stuff happened well before the election and with only 4000 people it would not really make a big difference in the election. People on welfare tend to not vote anyway
That is what a pilot is for, you use it to assess and refine..geez..What more facts do you need?
You think there were only 2 cases of people abusing this program?
Considering it was a pilot, you would think there would be better controls in place to actually do better screening.
But that wasn't the point of that program...the point was to sell a feel-good story so the Liberals could get more votes.
To assume trowing money at them fixes the problem is idioticThere will always be poor, sure, but to think not helping them has no cost is utterly idiotic.
Child poverty will always be present as long as there are poor people & we have already established there will alway be poor peopleWhat about child poverty, maybe the cycle can be broken.
That is extremely offensive & really quite annoyingSaying you can't do anything about it is stupid and lazy,
You have absolutely no clue one way or another to what extent I donate my time and/ or money wrt poverty
What is stupid and lazy is expecting the government to take care of it
It is exceptionally stupid to expect a government with $ 400 B in debt to take care of it
Time to get down off of your high horse.there are greatly varying levels of poverty around the world. Can you explain to me why that is or is it too complicated for your right wing sound byte mind to grasp?
I have already explained to you that there have been poor people since the day the first coin was struck
It is a fact of life, in all parts of the world
A myth??They myth that Ontarios debt levels are absurd is absurd in itself.
You obviously do not understand how compound interest works.
$ 400 B is unsustainable debt load
Do you understand what unsustainable means?
It means that eventually you have to start cutting ESSENTIAL services because you are paying an every increasing level of interest
Giving money to people not to work now or cut service levels in policing, fire & health care in the near future?
What is the responsible choice?
Too bad I did not say anything about the statesYou cannot compare a Canadian province to a US state, they have vastly differeny mandates.
Are you getting your whinnying sessions mixed up?
Which very much supports the argument that all non ESSENTIAL spending has to be controlledOntario is growing fact and major investments in infrastructure have to be made.
You accept this reprehensible behaviour as part of life, yet you somehow think that poverty can be controlled & fixed?Sure there is the usual graft and boondoggle that goes along with it,
You pick and choose what parts of human nature you think you can/ want to control.
Only a fool thinks he can control other peoples behaviour
Not relevant to the issue.but I would rather have over priced infrastructure then 10-12 nuclear carriers killing innocent people abroad.
Who mentioned anything about nuclear carriers??????? WTF ???
Again, keep your rants organized so they are coherent
To assume trowing money at them fixes the problem is idiotic
Child poverty will always be present as long as there are poor people & we have already established there will alway be poor people
That is extremely offensive & really quite annoying
You have absolutely no clue one way or another to what extent I donate my time and/ or money wrt poverty
What is stupid and lazy is expecting the government to take care of it
It is exceptionally stupid to expect a government with $ 400 B in debt to take care of it
Time to get down off of your high horse.
I have already explained to you that there have been poor people since the day the first coin was struck
It is a fact of life, in all parts of the world
A myth??
You obviously do not understand how compound interest works.
$ 400 B is unsustainable debt load
Do you understand what unsustainable means?
It means that eventually you have to start cutting ESSENTIAL services because you are paying an every increasing level of interest
Giving money to people not to work now or cut service levels in policing, fire & health care in the near future?
What is the responsible choice?
Too bad I did not say anything about the states
Are you getting your whinnying sessions mixed up?
Which very much supports the argument that all non ESSENTIAL spending has to be controlled
You accept this reprehensible behaviour as part of life, yet you somehow think that poverty can be controlled & fixed?
You pick and choose what parts of human nature you think you can/ want to control.
Only a fool thinks he can control other peoples behaviour
Not relevant to the issue.
Who mentioned anything about nuclear carriers??????? WTF ???
Again, keep your rants organized so they are coherent
Poverty can be reduced, lots of other countries have done a better job then Canada or Ontario at it. Just because there is poverty does not mean the harm to kids cannot be mitigated. Where the money is spent is a choice. you always love to cite how Ontario has the highest non-soverign debt, yet that has been refuted as being irrelevant. Why is 400B non-sustainable? What is sustainable? What about situations that are going to cost a lot more if we don't deal with them now. How can you say child poverty is non-essential, child poverty will lead to massive costs in the future if not mitgated now. Typical short term conservative thinking.
Programs like these are necessary. Whether you like it or not, the world economy is changing rapidly and drastically. It's anticipated that within the next 50 years, every single job will be done better by a machine than by a human - literally everything from manual labour to brain surgery to writing novels. The only way any individual will have any money to spend on anything is if the government creates some sort of distribution of wealth. And the rich will go along with it because it's the only way anyone will be able to buy their goods/services.
If you're an old fart who's going to be dead in 20 years, maybe not a big deal. But for your kids and grandkids and all future generations, socialism on a mass scale is going to become the only way forward. Either that or artificial intelligence just wipes us all out.
If you're an old fart who's going to be dead in 20 years, maybe not a big deal. But for your kids and grandkids and all future generations, socialism on a mass scale is going to become the only way forward. Either that or artificial intelligence just wipes us all out.
To assume that you can fix problems without money is more idiotic.To assume trowing money at them fixes the problem is idiotic
I just provided an example of a functional near-socialist country that Canada could possibly emulate. No need to be so defensive with the recycled conservative tropes.Denmark? If life is so perfect in Denmark why don't more people immigrate there? Better question, why don't you move there if you believe it is such a Utopian society?
hmmmm?
Too many people claim they are poor...but when you look deeper, the ones crying the loudest are the lazy ones milking the system and feeling entitled to have someone else pay for their "well being".
This type of thing is rampant especially when it comes to government hand outs.
Asking a question is hardly whining, unlike your response...I trust they had the data to prove that program was another Liberal boondoggle and that the money could be better spent elsewhere.
And let's be honest here, even if they would publish it and it proved it was a failure, you wouldn't accept that and/or would move on to the next thing you want to be outraged out.
That's how the leftist mentality works: perpetually whine if you didn't get your way.
Perhaps they were not burdened by 15 years of foolish & irresponsible spending & govt expansion.Poverty can be reduced, lots of other countries have done a better job then Canada or Ontario at it.
By fools who care not to deal with the reality of the matteryou always love to cite how Ontario has the highest non-soverign debt, yet that has been refuted as being irrelevant.
Do the math
It is factual and irefutable
Since you are the financial know it all who claims $400B is irrelevant, why do you not explain it to us?Why is 400B non-sustainable? What is sustainable?
Look, spending more than you make & owing a ton of money is unsustainable under any scenario
Time for you to clue inWhat about situations that are going to cost a lot more if we don't deal with them now.
As pointed out there will always be poor people, therefore any money thrown at this issue will not "deal with" or solve the issue
Years latter you will still have poor people & a bigger debt, which will just make dealing with the problem then more difficult
Again the same logic dictates that if there will always be poor people, then unless they stop making babies, there will always be child poverty.How can you say child poverty is non-essential, child poverty will lead to massive costs in the future if not mitgated now.
You think you can mitigate , however it is a unsolvable issue as a result of human nature
Always has been & always will be
You want to borrow more money to pay people not to work when the provincial debt is unsustainable & you say I have short term thinking????Typical short term conservative thinking.
WTF?
Look dummy, right now the interest is half the size of the education budget & it is the third largest expenditure.
Interest rates are increasing and even getting to balance is going to be a challenge
Ontario's long term growth outlook is 2 maybe 3% tops, so it is mathematically improbable / impossible to grow our way out of this mess
When you do not pay off debt and continue to borrow it compounds & very quickly if interest rates are rising
Lenders started demanding higher rates when debt becomes excessive. This accelerates the problem even more.
Interest costs will become larger than the education budget unless this is mitigated & mitigated NOW through cost cutting.
Given the choice between ensuring future generations are educated or paying people not to work,, it should be a non brainer for even you
You want it both ways , but fail to see that without responsible fiscal control government can not provide resources to try and address social issues
Sorry but Granny Wynne already borrowed & spent all the money
Assess & refine...on who's dime?That is what a pilot is for, you use it to assess and refine..geez..
I have to pay for someone who decides to quit their job so they can milk the system and perform puppet shows or whatever they think is the way they want to "work"?
Therefore with or with money thrown at the problem, it does not get fixed.To assume that you can fix problems without money is more idiotic.
You borrow to throw millions at the problem & at the end of the day there are still poor people
I do not throw money at the problem & at the end of the day there are still poor people.
There have been poor people since the first coin was struck, it is human nature.
You want to try and change human nature with other peoples money
Who is the idiot at the end of the day?
You will need people to design, build and fix the machines.Programs like these are necessary. Whether you like it or not, the world economy is changing rapidly and drastically. It's anticipated that within the next 50 years, every single job will be done better by a machine than by a human - literally everything from manual labour to brain surgery to writing novels. The only way any individual will have any money to spend on anything is if the government creates some sort of distribution of wealth. And the rich will go along with it because it's the only way anyone will be able to buy their goods/services.
If you're an old fart who's going to be dead in 20 years, maybe not a big deal. But for your kids and grandkids and all future generations, socialism on a mass scale is going to become the only way forward. Either that or artificial intelligence just wipes us all out.
You will need people to build and maintain the facilities where the machines are used.
You will need people to work creating the materials that are used to build the machines.
etc, etc.
Jobs will be there. Just different ones.
Change is inevitable.
You can adapt...or cry about it and hope the government will take care of you.
Everyone has a choice and no one is owed a living.
I never knew you were so sensitive, but unfortunately, the truth hurts sometimes.I just provided an example of a functional near-socialist country that Canada could possibly emulate. No need to be so defensive with the recycled conservative tropes.
Asking a question is hardly whining, unlike your response...
It was not about how many people...it was about the marketing and speaking points.This stuff happened well before the election and with only 4000 people it would not really make a big difference in the election. People on welfare tend to not vote anyway
Idiotic.Therefore with or with money thrown at the problem, it does not get fixed.
larue, how stupid are you to make statements like that?
You sound like that idiotic Fox commentator who was just taken down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lut2NEZa0Hc
Why do you keep backing losing economic models?
When challenged to find an example of a government that backs your policies the best you came up with before was the Paul Martin government, yet you keep backing austerity despite it being a constant failure.
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/let-this-be-the-end-of-austerity-once-and-for-all/The Evidence Is In, and Austerity Is Declared a Loser
Portugal proves it.
The policies you back are failures and you are an idiot to keep expecting different results from the same experiment.
Sticks and stones and all that rot but carry onI never knew you were so sensitive, but unfortunately, the truth hurts sometimes.
