Ont. boy killed by train

[unassuming]

Tragic, I can never understand why people walk along RR Tracks.

Boy, 13, killed after being hit by train while walking dog along tracks

TOWNSHIP OF SPRINGWATER — Provincial police say a 13-year-old boy has died after he was hit by a train while walking his dog in the Township of Springwater, Ont. Police say the incident happened shortly after 9 a.m. on Sunday. They say the boy was walking his dog on the Canadian Pacific railway...

ca.rogers.yahoo.com

 

[wazup]

I wonder how the engineer or driver would cope, not very well. Maybe he had headphones in as he must have been blasting the horn. They must have fairly sophisticated navigation by now to sense a person well in advance.

Poor little guy.

 

[Travelman123]

No one in government believes me when I say that it is a capital offense for trespassing on rail company property.
Grade crossing are rail company property.

The same government warns viewers that the program they are about to watch is for General Audiences.
They do not mind killing people, however, they would not want to frighten anyone!

T123

 

[GameBoy27]

Unfortunately this kind of thing happens all the time in northern Ontario. Often it's teens who follow the tracks to go partying in the woods on the outskirts of towns. There's thousands and thousands of trails that intersect tracks with no lights or signs.

 

[Carvher]

It happens all the time everywhere, often not reported. Walked on the tracks all the time in little town I grew up in. Trains are rather loud, lol, should be able to hear them coming.

 

[GameBoy27]

It happens all the time everywhere, often not reported. Walked on the tracks all the time in little town I grew up in. Trains are rather loud, lol, should be able to hear them coming.

Especially if the conductor sounded the horn.

 

[Carvher]

Actually the ground shakes. You can feel them coming

 

[contact]

They move faster then people think add headphones and well unfortunately this happens

 

[bazokajoe]

I know a few people who have been killed by trains even at crossings with flashing lights. Not sure how that happens.

 

[unassuming]

 

[james t kirk]

It happens all the time everywhere, often not reported. Walked on the tracks all the time in little town I grew up in. Trains are rather loud, lol, should be able to hear them coming.

You could not be more wrong if you tried.

Trains are silent when you're on the tracks and they are coming at you. Completely and utterly silent.

You can hear them off in the distance, but it's impossible to hear them if you're standing on the tracks. If you don't see the train, you're dead.

Even the bell and whistle can be next to impossible to hear. The only thing you will hear is the ting ting ting sound of the rail about 2 seconds before he's on top of you.

 

[james t kirk]

Actually the ground shakes. You can feel them coming

No you can't.

 

[james t kirk]

I know a few people who have been killed by trains even at crossings with flashing lights. Not sure how that happens.

Because unless you see the train coming, you are dead.

 

[Jasmina]

Not really. It happens way more than most people realize. I've seen both ends of it, one a friend who committed suicide by train and another, a friend the conductor of a train someone threw themselves in front of.

I wonder how the engineer or driver would cope, not very well. Maybe he had headphones in as he must have been blasting the horn. They must have fairly sophisticated navigation by now to sense a person well in advance.

Poor little guy.

 

[TeeJay]

Its illegal to walk on a track
Not to mention an utter lack of common sense
Kid was 13 not 3 he should have a brain in his head

Railway crossing facts and tips

Infosheets, Transport Canada -Infosheets

tc.canada.ca

 

[Carvher]

You could not be more wrong if you tried.

Trains are silent when you're on the tracks and they are coming at you. Completely and utterly silent.

You can hear them off in the distance, but it's impossible to hear them if you're standing on the tracks. If you don't see the train, you're dead.

Even the bell and whistle can be next to impossible to hear. The only thing you will hear is the ting ting ting sound of the rail about 2 seconds before he's on top of you.

Obviously you have never walked on tracks when a train came. Have you? Please answer honestly. You are probably getting your info from google. Great! It just seems ludicrous that I have to state the most obvious thing in the planet is that trains are loud and somebody disagrees with me. Unbelievable. You can feel a train coming. The tracks vibrate. It's simple physics. Impossible to move something that heavy on 2 tracks without vibration. You will hear it before you feel it. You are walking on the same dam track the train is on and believe me our tracks are not that smooth. I live about 1 mile from a track and i can hear it come and go every night from my bed. It often wakes me up. My wife doesn't hear it. maybe you are like her and have problems with lower frequencies. Keep in mind crazy low frequencies like that given off by a freight train would be felt as well as heard. Sound waves would be crazy long, pushing a lot of air. Not unusual for people our age to not hear lower frequencies but a kid should hear it. was he listening to music at the time? That could be a problem. Also, you only have to take 2 steps max to get out of the trains path. But that train comes at you really fucking fast, have to be aware.

I have walked hundreds of miles on railroad tracks. we would save a lot of time walking along the tracks to get from 1 area of town to another as kids. The ground shakes a lot more with freight trains than passenger trains. Freight trains are also louder. Monorails would be a different story but that wouldn't be the case here. We used to put pennies on the track and wait for a train to come. Believe me when I say we could hear it long before it came. And the ground would shake as it approached. We also swam at a few places in a river that ran sort of perpendicular to the tracks. Most of the places where we would toke or drink would be within earshot of those tracks as they ran through the whole little town.

If there was a lot of other noise going on like a construction project, planes flying overhead, cars blasting horns, etc. then maybe the kid would be distracted but you have to always be aware with all your senses when on the tracks. That used to be common sense but common sense is dying now. People are losing simple survivor instincts. How many morons do you see crossing a busy intersection looking at their phones? They are assuming that nobody will go through a red light. Loss of survival instincts.

I just realized that you said "when the train is coming at you" Now that's really funny because then you can use your fucking EYES! lol. you must be drunk!

Have another beer Captain Kirk and don't go play near those tracks!
And don't play with Jimmy's pellet gun because you seem to be the type of kid that will shoot your eyes out.
Don't jump off the bridge into the river until you check the water depth. lol

Here are some other things to argue about;
1 + 1 = 2
Planes are loud.
The earth is round.

 

[james t kirk]

Obviously you have never walked on tracks when a train came. Have you? Please answer honestly. You are probably getting your info from google. Great! It just seems ludicrous that I have to state the most obvious thing in the planet is that trains are loud and somebody disagrees with me. Unbelievable. You can feel a train coming. The tracks vibrate. It's simple physics. Impossible to move something that heavy on 2 tracks without vibration. You will hear it before you feel it. You are walking on the same dam track the train is on and believe me our tracks are not that smooth. I live about 1 mile from a track and i can hear it come and go every night from my bed. It often wakes me up. My wife doesn't hear it. maybe you are like her and have problems with lower frequencies. Keep in mind crazy low frequencies like that given off by a freight train would be felt as well as heard. Sound waves would be crazy long, pushing a lot of air. Not unusual for people our age to not hear lower frequencies but a kid should hear it. was he listening to music at the time? That could be a problem. Also, you only have to take 2 steps max to get out of the trains path. But that train comes at you really fucking fast, have to be aware.

I have walked hundreds of miles on railroad tracks. we would save a lot of time walking along the tracks to get from 1 area of town to another as kids. The ground shakes a lot more with freight trains than passenger trains. Freight trains are also louder. Monorails would be a different story but that wouldn't be the case here. We used to put pennies on the track and wait for a train to come. Believe me when I say we could hear it long before it came. And the ground would shake as it approached. We also swam at a few places in a river that ran sort of perpendicular to the tracks. Most of the places where we would toke or drink would be within earshot of those tracks as they ran through the whole little town.

If there was a lot of other noise going on like a construction project, planes flying overhead, cars blasting horns, etc. then maybe the kid would be distracted but you have to always be aware with all your senses when on the tracks. That used to be common sense but common sense is dying now. People are losing simple survivor instincts. How many morons do you see crossing a busy intersection looking at their phones? They are assuming that nobody will go through a red light. Loss of survival instincts.

I just realized that you said "when the train is coming at you" Now that's really funny because then you can use your fucking EYES! lol. you must be drunk!

Have another beer Captain Kirk and don't go play near those tracks!
And don't play with Jimmy's pellet gun because you seem to be the type of kid that will shoot your eyes out.
Don't jump off the bridge into the river until you check the water depth. lol

Here are some other things to argue about;
1 + 1 = 2
Planes are loud.
The earth is round.

Thanks for my laugh of the day.

I will say this. I have forgotten more about trains and railways and the physics thereof than you will ever know, even if you lived 10 of your lifetimes.

Trains are silent killers. When you are walking on the track, you can't hear them, and the ground does not shake. You either see them and get out of the way, or you don't see them and you most likely end up dead. Yes yes, you can hear them where you live because you are not living on the track, you are living at an oblique angle to where the train is travelling in the distance. I said that in my first post. The physics is known as the doppler effect as it applies to trains. Look it up. You might learn something.

I was going to be sarcastic with you. Encourage you to conduct a little personal experiment where you went out walking this morning on the Oakville Subdivision, or better yet, the Kingston subdivision. I was going to tell you what crossing to get on, what direction to walk (east or west) on which track so that the train would most likely come come up from behind you. I was even going to tell you where to park your car and to leave a note for your wife so when they found your torn apart body, they would have some context to offer her. But then I thought the better of that. I took the position that you are just a lay person in the field of science, engineering and how it is applied to railways. And I don't want to be responsible for your death. (Besides, they would probably check out your internet use, find this post, and find a way to find me. And I don't want to go to jail.)

So I will say this to you instead. I'm right, you're wrong. Please do not trespass on the railway tracks as you could end up very dead. It's extremely dangerous.

If the train comes up from behind you, you won't hear it till it's virtually on top of you and by that point, you have to have lightning fast reactions to jump out of the way. And obviously, you won't see it. The ground won't shake because for the ground to shake requires an impact loading. Round steel wheels running on 136 pound CWR does not create an impact loading. Sure, there's lots of jointed rail around still in Canada on some branch lines (and even that, you won't hear) but pretty much all Class 5 track is CWR. The Oakville sub and Kingston sub are both Class 5 track I can assure you. And yes there is always the possibility of a flat spot on a wheel which will generate noise, but generally, the Class 1 railways frown on flat spots and change them out. At most you might have one wheel with a flat spot on an entire train and an odd train at that. But I digress.

I know you won't believe me.

But maybe you will believe this (but probably not):

You really can't hear trains until they're almost right on top of you

You really can't hear trains until they're almost right on top of you

www.diyphotography.net

Click on the video.

Live and learn.

 

[boomboom]

Thanks for my laugh of the day.

I will say this. I have forgotten more about trains and railways and the physics thereof than you will ever know, even if you lived 10 of your lifetimes.

Trains are silent killers. When you are walking on the track, you can't hear them, and the ground does not shake. You either see them and get out of the way, or you don't see them and you most likely end up dead. Yes yes, you can hear them where you live because you are not living on the track, you are living at an oblique angle to where the train is travelling in the distance. I said that in my first post. The physics is known as the doppler effect as it applies to trains. Look it up. You might learn something.

I was going to be sarcastic with you. Encourage you to conduct a little personal experiment where you went out walking this morning on the Oakville Subdivision, or better yet, the Kingston subdivision. I was going to tell you what crossing to get on, what direction to walk (east or west) on which track so that the train would most likely come come up from behind you. I was even going to tell you where to park your car and to leave a note for your wife so when they found your torn apart body, they would have some context to offer her. But then I thought the better of that. I took the position that you are just a lay person in the field of science, engineering and how it is applied to railways. And I don't want to be responsible for your death. (Besides, they would probably check out your internet use, find this post, and find a way to find me. And I don't want to go to jail.)

So I will say this to you instead. I'm right, you're wrong. Please do not trespass on the railway tracks as you could end up very dead. It's extremely dangerous.

If the train comes up from behind you, you won't hear it till it's virtually on top of you and by that point, you have to have lightning fast reactions to jump out of the way. And obviously, you won't see it. The ground won't shake because for the ground to shake requires an impact loading. Round steel wheels running on 136 pound CWR does not create an impact loading. Sure, there's lots of jointed rail around still in Canada on some branch lines (and even that, you won't hear) but pretty much all Class 5 track is CWR. The Oakville sub and Kingston sub are both Class 5 track I can assure you. And yes there is always the possibility of a flat spot on a wheel which will generate noise, but generally, the Class 1 railways frown on flat spots and change them out. At most you might have one wheel with a flat spot on an entire train and an odd train at that. But I digress.

I know you won't believe me.

But maybe you will believe this (but probably not):

You really can't hear trains until they're almost right on top of you

You really can't hear trains until they're almost right on top of you

www.diyphotography.net

Click on the video.

Live and learn.

great response.
I have family & friends who work for railway. They chat privately, its not if you will be involved in a track side death, but when. I was a part-time firefighter in a small town & responded to a call where a farmer was out on tracks cutting through his farm looking for a reported break in his fence as cattle got loose. He never heard the train coming & was killed instantly. Many railway workers, especially conductors suffer from PTSD from hitting vehicles broke down or trying to beat the train, or people of all ages dying by suicide, or simply trespassing to get somewhere faster.
AS a kid & many younger adults, you think you are invincible. It wont happen to me.

 

[Carvher]

Thanks for my laugh of the day.

I will say this. I have forgotten more about trains and railways and the physics thereof than you will ever know, even if you lived 10 of your lifetimes.

Trains are silent killers. When you are walking on the track, you can't hear them, and the ground does not shake. You either see them and get out of the way, or you don't see them and you most likely end up dead. Yes yes, you can hear them where you live because you are not living on the track, you are living at an oblique angle to where the train is travelling in the distance. I said that in my first post. The physics is known as the doppler effect as it applies to trains. Look it up. You might learn something.

I was going to be sarcastic with you. Encourage you to conduct a little personal experiment where you went out walking this morning on the Oakville Subdivision, or better yet, the Kingston subdivision. I was going to tell you what crossing to get on, what direction to walk (east or west) on which track so that the train would most likely come come up from behind you. I was even going to tell you where to park your car and to leave a note for your wife so when they found your torn apart body, they would have some context to offer her. But then I thought the better of that. I took the position that you are just a lay person in the field of science, engineering and how it is applied to railways. And I don't want to be responsible for your death. (Besides, they would probably check out your internet use, find this post, and find a way to find me. And I don't want to go to jail.)

So I will say this to you instead. I'm right, you're wrong. Please do not trespass on the railway tracks as you could end up very dead. It's extremely dangerous.

If the train comes up from behind you, you won't hear it till it's virtually on top of you and by that point, you have to have lightning fast reactions to jump out of the way. And obviously, you won't see it. The ground won't shake because for the ground to shake requires an impact loading. Round steel wheels running on 136 pound CWR does not create an impact loading. Sure, there's lots of jointed rail around still in Canada on some branch lines (and even that, you won't hear) but pretty much all Class 5 track is CWR. The Oakville sub and Kingston sub are both Class 5 track I can assure you. And yes there is always the possibility of a flat spot on a wheel which will generate noise, but generally, the Class 1 railways frown on flat spots and change them out. At most you might have one wheel with a flat spot on an entire train and an odd train at that. But I digress.

I know you won't believe me.

But maybe you will believe this (but probably not):

You really can't hear trains until they're almost right on top of you

You really can't hear trains until they're almost right on top of you

www.diyphotography.net

Click on the video.

Live and learn.

Captain Kirk. You have been away to long in senile quadrant where there is no noise. Bring the enterprise back to earth. You will be fine. We have safe spaces now. You never answered my question. I knew you wouldn't because you havent been in our solar system. Google noise comparisons. Purdue has a chart there which is good for aliens not accustomed to our planet.
Frieght train at 50 ft is 80 db.
Deisel train at 100 ft. is 83 db.
Garbage disposal is 80 db.
80 db is twice as loud as 70.
A vacuum cleaner is 70.
Arguing with somebody who cant hear a train is not worth my while anymore.
You need to come back to earth, and actually live your life with ur feet on the ground rather than in front of your computer believing crazy shit you read on the internet.

 

[boomboom]

Captain Kirk. You have been away to long in senile quadrant where there is no noise. Bring the enterprise back to earth. You will be fine. We have safe spaces now. You never answered my question. I knew you wouldn't because you havent been in our solar system. Google noise comparisons. Purdue has a chart there which is good for aliens not accustomed to our planet.
Frieght train at 50 ft is 80 db.
Deisel train at 100 ft. is 83 db.
Garbage disposal is 80 db.
80 db is twice as loud as 70.
A vacuum cleaner is 70.
Arguing with somebody who cant hear a train is not worth my while anymore.
You need to come back to earth, and actually live your life with ur feet on the ground rather than in front of your computer believing crazy shit you read on the internet.

but you are forgetting with trains speed & when you hear it.... its normally too late... thats his point