Online petition protests Rogers
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Here's an idea: instead of writing a petition, why not just not buy the phone and or the plan?
If rogers can't sell the product at x rates, they will either lose money or not carry the phone......
If rogers can't sell the product at x rates, they will either lose money or not carry the phone......
If people want to blame someone, they should blame both Bell and Telus who choose to stick to their own technology (CDMA) and not follow Rogers footsteps (GSM wise) back in 2000.
Rogers gambled and won and since they are the only game in town with GSM, why shouldn't they take full advantage of the competitive edge they have? It will be at least 1 to 1.5 years down the line for either Bell or Telus to be able to use GSM, so until then people will certainly pay through the nose for it.
Rogers gambled and won and since they are the only game in town with GSM, why shouldn't they take full advantage of the competitive edge they have? It will be at least 1 to 1.5 years down the line for either Bell or Telus to be able to use GSM, so until then people will certainly pay through the nose for it.
If you don't like it, boycott the company. That is the power of capitalism, no on e is forcing one to buy or use a certain product.
Pudding said:
Well, sucks to be you...no offence but I would love a DB9 and want them to be sold for $129.99 plus tax but just because I want some company to do something, doesn't mean they have to.....
I mean really, if you don't want to pay the rates, don't get the phone. I mean, you're almost dictating what a company should charge. Kind of like going to a mechanic to get your car fixed and telling HIM what to charge you......
I do however agree that rogers has set themselves up as a monopoly in this sense and that is illegal in Canada.
For that matter there are a few other phones out there that have been reviewed and actually outperform the iphone.....
My advice? Don't be a lemming and rush into getting on the bandwagon.....
tboy said:
While they may be a monopoly currently, wasn't it because the other players (Bell and Telus) elected not to change when Rogers did? Can't fault them if they were the only ones who decided to make the jump can you?
Nothing stopping the other guys from switching over if it's a much better system.
KWI said:Or kind of like coming on TERB and bitching that a girl you really want to see is out of your price range and should lower her rate, or a girl you want to see is so busy that you can't get an appointment when you want it, or any other non legit bitching that goes on here......
They didn't answer the phone on the second ring, they didn't say good bye the way I like, she didn't look me in the eye when she gave me a blow job, she has a nice ass but doesn't do Greek, she won't let me CIM or SW..........
Men I tell ya!
Yah but guys who do that generally garner the same response as the OP is here: Don't like it, then don't play.
petition for what?
Get it if the price is right, don't complain that rogers is charging too much. iPhone is still a phone and there are lots of phone to choose out there.
I don't like the prices either, so chances are I might not get the new iPhone. If you want to have the latest and greatest, pay the money!!
I hate to say rogers is not a monopoly, but really it's lack of vision of other wireless service provider not to invest in the gsm network. I can only agree that there is a lack of competition and that's why Canadian are paying some outrages prices for their service.
Get it if the price is right, don't complain that rogers is charging too much. iPhone is still a phone and there are lots of phone to choose out there.
I don't like the prices either, so chances are I might not get the new iPhone. If you want to have the latest and greatest, pay the money!!
I hate to say rogers is not a monopoly, but really it's lack of vision of other wireless service provider not to invest in the gsm network. I can only agree that there is a lack of competition and that's why Canadian are paying some outrages prices for their service.
News flash: An iPhone is a luxury item. I mean, a real luxury item. It's a rich geek's toy.
That's like going to the Four Seasons, and complaining that the rooms are $200/night.
I don't have one, and I don't think I ever will, unless they become super cheap.
A pre-paid cell suits my needs just fine and is far cheaper than any home phone.
I also don't have GPS; my paper maps are just fine.
That's like going to the Four Seasons, and complaining that the rooms are $200/night.
I don't have one, and I don't think I ever will, unless they become super cheap.
A pre-paid cell suits my needs just fine and is far cheaper than any home phone.
I also don't have GPS; my paper maps are just fine.
Moraff said:
That may be true but do you remember when our infamous government broke up the Bell monopoly and forced them to allow other carriers to use their phone lines etc?
I agree, the reason Rogers has the monopoly is because of their investment in the technology but that doesn't make it more or less a monopoly.
For that matter, it is well known that we're getting hosed up here on cell carrier rates anyways and the government doesn't do anything about that so they won't do anything about GSM......
Speaking of rogers (and other cable providers) am I the only one that really hates having to sit through thousands of commercials on a channel that I have to pay extra to receive? Shouldn't these channels then fall into the same category as broadcast channels if they are being financially supported by advertisers?
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Competitive...
...to who?
If no one else offers it in their marketplace, then there is no competition.
If you mean to the price / rate plans in the U.S., two different marketplaces, I am personally amazed that Canadians seemed (up until now) comfortable with the outrageous rates for wireless service here in Canada - I guess this is the first time people have really looked at what a whooping difference there is (the upcoming wireless auctions and the new carriers it will bring will address a good amount of this).
But Rogers rate plans and pricing for the Apple iPhone are not out of line with what has been "normal" for the Canadian market place.
There is more competition coming, which should have a positive impact on ALL wireless rates plans and costs...but until then, as TBoy suggests...just don't buy one....
Pudding said:
...to who?
If no one else offers it in their marketplace, then there is no competition.
If you mean to the price / rate plans in the U.S., two different marketplaces, I am personally amazed that Canadians seemed (up until now) comfortable with the outrageous rates for wireless service here in Canada - I guess this is the first time people have really looked at what a whooping difference there is (the upcoming wireless auctions and the new carriers it will bring will address a good amount of this).
But Rogers rate plans and pricing for the Apple iPhone are not out of line with what has been "normal" for the Canadian market place.
There is more competition coming, which should have a positive impact on ALL wireless rates plans and costs...but until then, as TBoy suggests...just don't buy one....
Some of your facts are relatively correct...
...but your over arching assumption is wrong.
There may or may not be Apple iPhone available for Bell and / or TELUS in the future (well, I guess we can assume there will be at SOME point).
But if / when that happens, it will not necessarily be because TELUS and / or Bell have switched to GSM.
No one is switching to GSM...while it was a superior technology choice (for a number of reasons) over CDMA, it is no longer the optimal choice.
What carriers (such as TELUS and Bell) are doing is implementing UMTS networks. Rogers has theirs up and running already (the transition to UMTS from GSM is easier).
However, there is currently no UMTS Apple iPhone, just as there is no CDMA Apple iPhone. So that isn't what is going to be the enabling factor.
What it really comes down to is this: Apple chose to introduce a GSM phone first because a) Most off the world's networks are GSM, thus creating a larger potential marketplace, and b) Cingular / AT&T were willing to enter into an exclusivity agreement that was to Apple's liking.
Rogers now has such an agreement as well....no doubt made easier by the fact that they have a GSM network.
My point however, is that had Verizon been willing to enter into an agreement with Apple that Apple found more favorable, the iPhone would probably now be an exclusive CDMA product, with Apple having no real reason to bring out a GSM version so long as they could sell every CDMA device at full price, which they do now....
Had it played itself out that way...it would be Rogers sitting on the outside looking in.
to-guy69 said:
...but your over arching assumption is wrong.
There may or may not be Apple iPhone available for Bell and / or TELUS in the future (well, I guess we can assume there will be at SOME point).
But if / when that happens, it will not necessarily be because TELUS and / or Bell have switched to GSM.
No one is switching to GSM...while it was a superior technology choice (for a number of reasons) over CDMA, it is no longer the optimal choice.
What carriers (such as TELUS and Bell) are doing is implementing UMTS networks. Rogers has theirs up and running already (the transition to UMTS from GSM is easier).
However, there is currently no UMTS Apple iPhone, just as there is no CDMA Apple iPhone. So that isn't what is going to be the enabling factor.
What it really comes down to is this: Apple chose to introduce a GSM phone first because a) Most off the world's networks are GSM, thus creating a larger potential marketplace, and b) Cingular / AT&T were willing to enter into an exclusivity agreement that was to Apple's liking.
Rogers now has such an agreement as well....no doubt made easier by the fact that they have a GSM network.
My point however, is that had Verizon been willing to enter into an agreement with Apple that Apple found more favorable, the iPhone would probably now be an exclusive CDMA product, with Apple having no real reason to bring out a GSM version so long as they could sell every CDMA device at full price, which they do now....
Had it played itself out that way...it would be Rogers sitting on the outside looking in.
To my understanding...
Rogers was always GSM (in a post analog world) because when they were partnered with AT&T (the original AT&T Wireless, not the current one...but don't get me started on THAT), AT&T had a TDMA network thanks to the deal it cut with Ericsson (and because they rightfully saw that most of the worlds carriers were going GSM / TDMA, versus CDMA).
My point is that there was no "switch". Rogers made the right play initially...
I could write a book about how the CDMA vs TDMA / decisions were made...it was interesting...I was actually part of that decision making process (though not the decision maker) for one carrier who also got it wrong, over the objections of many (including me).
Moraff said:
Rogers was always GSM (in a post analog world) because when they were partnered with AT&T (the original AT&T Wireless, not the current one...but don't get me started on THAT), AT&T had a TDMA network thanks to the deal it cut with Ericsson (and because they rightfully saw that most of the worlds carriers were going GSM / TDMA, versus CDMA).
My point is that there was no "switch". Rogers made the right play initially...
I could write a book about how the CDMA vs TDMA / decisions were made...it was interesting...I was actually part of that decision making process (though not the decision maker) for one carrier who also got it wrong, over the objections of many (including me).
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