On the current trajectory that is inevitable. Israel only has a future as a secular state.
One Homeland solution for Middle East conflict..
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Worse for whom?As it turns out Sykes Picot delayed final reckoning between Shia and Sunni until the Internet,liberal arms sale, and oil wealth distributed to proxies made the wholesale destruction of civilization in the middle east an attainable goal. Yeah technology.
When will you dumb fucks realize forcing Palestinians and Israeli's to share One State is worse than the current situation.
Being disingenuously asked to chime in on a subject that has already been decided is not a consultation. I am saying none of those things, just a continuation of your litany of lies.They were indeed consulted. They decided not to participate , and their reasons were pure bigotry.
And your claim that they were "fucked over"is inherently offensive. You are saying that it was unfair to prevent them from subjugating Jews, denying them their right to self determination, and imposing an Islamic state on them. Sorry but that's fucked. You are just propagating f offensive idea that Palestinians have some right to subjugate Jews. They don't. Israel didn't need their permission to come into being.
Both.Worse for whom?
See Egypt or any other Middle Eastern country trying to decide what it means to be a Muslim.
Yep, the creation of a dozen independent Arab states sure screwsd them over(sigh). The fact that the Arab leadership felt that even a tiny Jewish state as suggested by the Peel commission was screwing them over says everything.They were invited to work? This is AFTER they were fucked over by Sykes Picot. ...
And the "Palestinian" leadership at the time was the same as the Syrian, Jordanian, and Lebanese leadership. Under the Ottomans they were all the same province.
You mean those so called despotic states where monarchies were imposed? yeah whatever. You can say what you want but most lucid historians acknowledge that Sykes Picot was a betrayal of what was promised to the Arabs. You can revise history all you want, but most people can read and see what lies you are telling. Look at how much uproar a few hundred thousand refugees are causing in Europe, and they are not even wanting their own nation. Imagine if they decided to create a muslim nation in Europe...OMG!!!! Your points are border line comical .Yep, the creation of a dozen independent Arab states sure screwsd them over(sigh). The fact that the Arab leadership felt that even a tiny Jewish state as suggested by the Peel commission was screwing them over says everything.
And the "Palestinian" leadership at the time was the same as the Syrian, Jordanian, and Lebanese leadership. Under the Ottomans they were all the same province.
Again, how is it a betrayal to turn the majority of the Ottoman empire over to independent arab rule?You mean those so called despotic states where monarchies were imposed? yeah whatever. You can say what you want but most lucid historians acknowledge that Sykes Picot was a betrayal of what was promised to the Arabs. ... .
P.s. it's not like any Arab groups at the time were backing democratic rule. And judging by the behaviour of the Arab leaders in Palestine (both pre-ww2 and today) it would have just been yet another despotic Arab state.
Israel is already a secular state, but to avoid the Arabs committing an ethnic cleansing or a genocide it's important that it remain a Jewish majority secular state with a Jewish majority IDF.On the current trajectory that is inevitable. Israel only has a future as a secular state.
Israeli Jews. We know you hope for worse for them....Worse for whom?
It'll actually be worse for the Palestinians too because it would devolve into a bloody civil war and that's not good for everyone. Repeating 1947 is not a plan.
They were consulted anyway, but as I say: it isn't clear why they deserve any voice whatever on the future of Israel. They should focus instead the future of Palestine. Israelis don't need the permission of non Israelis.Being disingenuously asked to chime in on a subject that has already been decided is not a consultation. I am saying none of those things, just a continuation of your litany of lies.
You can't promise what isn't yours. The only people with a legitimate say in the future of Israel are the Israelis.You mean those so called despotic states where monarchies were imposed? yeah whatever. You can say what you want but most lucid historians acknowledge that Sykes Picot was a betrayal of what was promised to the Arabs. You can revise history all you want, but most people can read and see what lies you are telling. Look at how much uproar a few hundred thousand refugees are causing in Europe, and they are not even wanting their own nation. Imagine if they decided to create a muslim nation in Europe...OMG!!!! Your points are border line comical .
Thanks for confirming apartheid.So what. That doesn't mean your resolution won't be worse.
That's a start.
You mean like Barghouti?When you find a Mandela amongst the Palestinians.
Nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize from apartheid survivor Desmond Tutu?
Consider that done.
That's working well in Lebanon!!!There is lots of precedent for it. Perhaps a bicameral legislature like the US but where the Senate has 50% Jews and Palis.....
For organizing dozens of terror attacks on Jews?Thanks for confirming apartheid.
That's a start.
You mean like Barghouti?
Nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize....
Since you have such a poor understanding of history and timelines, here is a good summary for you:Again, how is it a betrayal to turn the majority of the Ottoman empire over to independent arab rule?
P.s. it's not like any Arab groups at the time were backing democratic rule. And judging by the behaviour of the Arab leaders in Palestine (both pre-ww2 and today) it would have just been yet another despotic Arab state.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...war-set-stage-for-turbulent-century-1.1840067
It worked well in the US did it not? And what solution would you propose in Lebanon? Compared to Gaza, Lebanon is a paradise.That's working well in Lebanon!!!
He wasn't charged for that, silly troll.For organizing dozens of terror attacks on Jews?
Mandela was called a terrorist, BDS for South Africa was fought until it worked and Mandela still brokered change.
All Israel is doing is helping to elevate him to the stature of a Nobel nominated and internationally respected peaceful voice.
Really? You should look up with the crimes your hero was convicted of.He wasn't charged for that, silly troll.....
Canada never called Mandela a terrorist but Canada does consider Barghotti's groups a terrorist entity. Mandela also never led or ordered attacks on civilians.
You suggesting someone doesn't understand history is like a chimp complaining that people don't understand astrophysics.Since you have such a poor understanding of history and timelines, here is a good summary for you:
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As thanks for helping against the Ottoman Empire a dozen Arab states were created. Instead of being happy they went to war because the Brits also promised a tiny state to Jews on less than 1% of the Ottoman land.
The US has a system dividing government positions based on religion? Who knew.It worked well in the US did it not? And what solution would you propose in Lebanon? Compared to Gaza, Lebanon is a paradise.
