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Your right about Hamas not changing in 23 years. In 1993 Hamas rejected Oslo and embarked on a terror campaign. Today they continue their terror campaign .
Which is exactly what Hamas says of Israel.
Same old, same old.
Both sides are so similar, only one side is that much more deadly.

But I see that you have no argument that the only real change since Oslo was signed was that Israel colonized more of Palestine.
 

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This.
Barghouti is currently alive, so no, he's not a suicide bomber.
Nor was I comparing him to Ghandi.

As for his charges:
A three-judge panel ruled that although he didn't fully control local Brigade leaders and wasn't directly involved, he had "significant influence" over their conduct.
In other words, no evidence existed. A legitimate court would have acquitted him. Israel's military one judged him guilty by accusation. Due process and judicial fairness were absent. Virtually all prosecuted Palestinians face the same fate, including children.
http://sjlendman.blogspot.ca/2012/04/marwan-barghouti-suspect-accusations.html

Israel is afraid of Barghouti.
 

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The US civil isn't anything like the Israeli/Palestinian civil war. The Palestinian goal was and is ethnic cleansing. You can't integrate that.
Sure you can, funny how you keep saying that is the goal of Palis yet it is Israel doing all the ethic cleansing.
 

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Rational people also openly criticize the immorality of suicide bombing public buses. Understanding why is one thing; excusing it is a whole other matter.
There is no excuse for the horror of war, but it is a persistent element of human existence. That is why most nations have large armies
 

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Sure you can, funny how you keep saying that is the goal of Palis yet it is Israel doing all the ethic cleansing.
Actually Israel accepted the partition plan. It's the Palestinians who instead decided to try ethnic cleansing. Israel has been repeatedly invaded and attacked by Arab forces explicitly promising ethnic cleansing. Hamas continues to declare that they will ethnically cleanse Israel. Even Fatah says that they would if they could.
 

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Barghouti is currently alive, so no, he's not a suicide bomber.
Nor was I comparing him to Ghandi.

As for his charges:

http://sjlendman.blogspot.ca/2012/04/marwan-barghouti-suspect-accusations.html

Israel is afraid of Barghouti.
He certainly employs suicide bombers. He is publicly committed to violence . And yes, you did compare this low life terrorist scum to Gandhi, but then you are openly in support of Hamas . Violence is your worldview, or more accurately, you don't think killing Jews is wrong.
 

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There is no excuse for the horror of war, but it is a persistent element of human existence. That is why most nations have large armies
You are thoroughly discredited for your promotion of terrorism. Your views are degenerate and deranged and moral people abhor you .
 

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http://www.timesofisrael.com/gay-and-christian-a-scion-of-a-hamas-family-finally-finds-safety-in-us/

There is no excuse for destroying your young. Why One Nation would be just another failed state.
That kind of shit needs to be stopped, but its wrong to say its only a Hamas problem if you're ignoring types like Yishai Schlissel.

Most Israeli's and Palestinians now support the one state, the two state is dead.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Po...Israelis-feel-2-state-solution-is-dead-424970
 

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Ahh siding with racial purity are we? Who else sort that? hmmmm They are all sons of Abraham or Ibrahim.
No just siding with the reality that the Jewish people want to protect themselves from another Holocaust.
 

nottyboi

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You are thoroughly discredited for your promotion of terrorism. Your views are degenerate and deranged and moral people abhor you .
I am not promoting it, it is a natural outcome of oppression. It was widespread in Europe during the Nazi occupation when collaborators were killed....It happened in Northern Ireland as well. So only an idiot would think this situation is somehow unique. Your the only one abhoring because you are full of hatred. Only a select few of you cadre have expressed hatred to me. Many people support my views and world politics are aligning more and more in a manner that supports my view.
 

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No just siding with the reality that the Jewish people want to protect themselves from another Holocaust.

Well they have tried this method before, and it failed. Why do you think Israel had to be RE-established?
 

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I am not promoting it, it is a natural outcome of oppression. It was widespread in Europe during the Nazi occupation when collaborators were killed....It happened in Northern Ireland as well. So only an idiot would think this situation is somehow unique. Your the only one abhoring because you are full of hatred. Only a select few of you cadre have expressed hatred to me. Many people support my views and world politics are aligning more and more in a manner that supports my view.
Except the Palestinian terrorism isn't an outcome of oppression. It predates the occupation. It is the outcome of hatred.

And no, moral people do not think terrorism is acceptable the way you do.
 

nottyboi

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Except the Palestinian terrorism isn't an outcome of oppression. It predates the occupation. It is the outcome of hatred.

And no, moral people do not think terrorism is acceptable the way you do.
Nonsense, Jews and Palis lived together for decades with no major dramas. it was only when population pressures and major immigration started due to the Zionist movement that violence erupted on both side. That also is quite typical with human populations and only and idiot would expect something else. Its true that there is a great deal of racism involved, on both sides.
 

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Nonsense, Jews and Palis lived together for decades with no major dramas.
False. Jews were extensively persecuted in the Ottoman empire.

It was only when population pressures and major immigration started due to the Zionist movement that violence erupted on both side.
The Palestinians were the ones who rejected partition and launched a civil war to ethnically cleanse the Jews.

Moreover, Zionism resulted in a great deal of Arab migration into Palestine well. The growing economy attracted many Arab migrants as well as Jewish.
 

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False. Jews were extensively persecuted in the Ottoman empire.



The Palestinians were the ones who rejected partition and launched a civil war to ethnically cleanse the Jews.

Moreover, Zionism resulted in a great deal of Arab migration into Palestine well. The growing economy attracted many Arab migrants as well as Jewish.
I have some EARTH SHATTERING news for you. Jews were persecuted EVERYWHERE... including (this may shock you) GERMANY!!! Yes they rejected partition, because it was a flawed process where Jews were given a say and they were not. It was IMPOSED. Why was partition necessary? It was driven by the racism of Jews not Palis. It was exclusionary. Zionism would have been great if they did not go for partition and did not focus on building a Jewish state which excluded the Palis.
 

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... There goes NB justifying persecution of Jews.

And no, partition was not a flawed process. It was a fair deal that extensively included Palestinians and offered them a great state. But I have no doubt you will soon be repeating some of the Palestinian lies about it. Please tell me you think it gave Israel more land than their population so I can ridicule you.

The Palestinian position was that Jews should be subservient to Islam and any attempt at Jews being treated equally was to be resisted with violence.
 
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