One Homeland solution for Middle East conflict..

[nottyboi]

... There goes NB justifying persecution of Jews.

And no, partition was not a flawed process. It was a fair deal that extensively included Palestinians and offered them a great state. But I have no doubt you will soon be repeating some of the Palestinian lies about it. Please tell me you think it gave Israel more land than their population so I can ridicule you.

The Palestinian position was that Jews should be subservient to Islam and any attempt at Jews being treated equally was to be resisted with violence.

Please show me some proof of proper consultation with Palis. Jews should not be subservient to Islam. Fuck that, I am not muslim and think its a BULLSHIT religion that I have little respect for. In fact I feel the same way about all religions to be honest. Yes I think Jews should be treated equally, but they should also be expected to treat others equally, which many of them do not. (believing you are "gods chosen people" and entitled to your own state is NOT a good start. Expecting others to fund and guarantee that is even more pathetic. Oppressing and exploiting others to achieved this is downright reprehensible!!!)

 

[Frankfooter]

Please show me some proof of proper consultation with Palis. Jews should not be subservient to Islam. Fuck that, I am not muslim and think its a BULLSHIT religion that I have little respect for. In fact I feel the same way about all religions to be honest. Yes I think Jews should be treated equally, but they should also be expected to treat others equally, which many of them do not.

Treated equally in a one state solution.

The EU thinks that's the way forward now.
http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=771780

And the polls say that both sides now prefer it as well.

Here's the news of the day, Bishop Desmond Tutu nominates Barghouti for the Nobel Peace Prize.

“I call on the members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee to seize this occasion to bring attention back to the question of Palestine and to the calls for a just and lasting peace, a prospect Marwan Barghouti continues advocating and acting for, despite years of imprisonment and isolation.”

“I hope the Nobel Committee will take a bold decision bringing us closer to the day this holy land, charged with unique symbolic value, can stop being a living testimony of injustice and impunity, occupation and apartheid, and can finally be a beacon of freedom, hope and peace.”

http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=771789

That makes 6 nominations for him, not counting Tunisia passing their Nobel Peace price to Barghouti last year.

 

[nottyboi]

http://www.timesofisrael.com/gay-and-christian-a-scion-of-a-hamas-family-finally-finds-safety-in-us/

There is no excuse for destroying your young. Why One Nation would be just another failed state.

Oh you think One Nation would be allowed to have an Islamist constitution? Of course half the legislature would be guaranteed to be Jewish and of course the highest court would be the Hague. You can't count on those fuck ups to be reasonable.

 

[nottyboi]

Treated equally in a one state solution.

The EU thinks that's the way forward now.
http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=771780

And the polls say that both sides now prefer it as well.

Here's the news of the day, Bishop Desmond Tutu nominates Barghouti for the Nobel Peace Prize.

http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=771789

That makes 6 nominations for him, not counting Tunisia passing their Nobel Peace price to Barghouti last year.

Either way through peace or bloodshed it will be a single state. Two states will just be at war with each other constantly. It has zero hope of stability.

 

[Frankfooter]

Either way through peace or bloodshed it will be a single state. Two states will just be at war with each other constantly. It has zero hope of stability.

It already is a single bloody state.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/tel-aviv-shooting-1.3622735

Hopefully bds, Barghouti and/or the ICC will do what guns can't.
Make it peaceful.

 

[cye]

It already is a single bloody state.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/tel-aviv-shooting-1.3622735

Hopefully bds, Barghouti and/or the ICC will do what guns can't.

Make it peaceful.

How could you possibly expect one state to either be peaceful or democratic. There is no reason to believe that either side will ever view the other's aspirations as legitimate. The middle east is burning and creating another state that has neither common politic or cultural institutions for resolving conflicts is just another failed state waiting to happen.

 

[Frankfooter]

How could you possibly expect one state to either be peaceful or democratic. There is no reason to believe that either side will ever view the other's aspirations as legitimate. The middle east is burning and creating another state that has neither common politic or cultural institutions for resolving conflicts is just another failed state waiting to happen.

Its true that the present apartheid, one state isn't peaceful or democratic.
But its still the most likely option.

What else is there now that the two state solution is dead?

 

[fuji]

Please show me some proof of proper consultation with Palis.

They were invited repeatedly to work with UNSCOP but refused to for the same racist, bigoted reasons they tried to ethnically cleanse Jews. They then had opportunities to express their views to the General Assembly which resulted in a supermajority voting for partition.

At the end of the day Israelis don't need their consent to have a state in any case. Israelis have a right to self determination. Period.

As for treating people equally, it has always been the case that Israel treats Arabs equally, while the Arabs frequently protest any attempt to treat Jews equally and generally persecute Jews whenever they can.

For example, after capturing the Temple Mount, Israel allowed an Islamic Waqf to administer it. They could have purged it of Muslims, as the Jordanians did, but they didn't. They share it.

Compare to the Palestinian campaign of stabbing Jews explicitly to avoid sharing access with them.

It's always like that.

 

[fuji]

Its true that the present apartheid, one state isn't peaceful or democratic.
But its still the most likely option.

What else is there now that the two state solution is dead?

You non stop lying just makes you a clown. Israel isn't apartheid, no matter how much vile bullshit you spew.

No excuse for you. None. That is why Canada had condemned you and rejected BDS.

 

[fuji]

Oh you think One Nation would be allowed to have an Islamist constitution? Of course half the legislature would be guaranteed to be Jewish and of course the highest court would be the Hague. You can't count on those fuck ups to be reasonable.

The high court of Israel is not the Hague. Israel is a sovereign nation. What assurance would Israel have that international courts would not be co opted by the Arab League? Why would Israel submit ANY sovereignty to ANY foreign government?

Who would disarm Hamas?

And how would a 50% Jewish legislature be fair when 90% of the population is Arab? That doesn't sound like a political structure with any sustainability.

 

[Frankfooter]

More documents coming that Israel is trying very hard to hide.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/israel-blocking-access-archives-160609054341909.html

So much for the shining beacon of democracy and openness.

 

[nottyboi]

They were invited repeatedly to work with UNSCOP but refused to for the same racist, bigoted reasons they tried to ethnically cleanse Jews. They then had opportunities to express their views to the General Assembly which resulted in a supermajority voting for partition.

At the end of the day Israelis don't need their consent to have a state in any case. Israelis have a right to self determination. Period.

As for treating people equally, it has always been the case that Israel treats Arabs equally, while the Arabs frequently protest any attempt to treat Jews equally and generally persecute Jews whenever they can.

For example, after capturing the Temple Mount, Israel allowed an Islamic Waqf to administer it. They could have purged it of Muslims, as the Jordanians did, but they didn't. They share it.

Compare to the Palestinian campaign of stabbing Jews explicitly to avoid sharing access with them.

It's always like that.

They were invited to work? This is AFTER they were fucked over by Sykes Picot. The reason they refused to participate was because they knew their input would have no weight and they refused to legitimize the process. Only an idiot would consider that actual consultation. Once again you showed you LIED. You said they were consulted and they were part of the process. THEY WERE NOT. Are your pants on fire?

 

[nottyboi]

The high court of Israel is not the Hague. Israel is a sovereign nation. What assurance would Israel have that international courts would not be co opted by the Arab League? Why would Israel submit ANY sovereignty to ANY foreign government?

Who would disarm Hamas?

And how would a 50% Jewish legislature be fair when 90% of the population is Arab? That doesn't sound like a political structure with any sustainability.

There is lots of precedent for it. Perhaps a bicameral legislature like the US but where the Senate has 50% Jews and Palis. The purpose of such a mechanism is to prevent a majority from imposing on a minority. Over the long run Arabs will move into the Jewish ridings and this system will naturally degrade in 50-100 years. Rhode Island has 2 senators and 1 million people..

Israels supreme court would become like a state court, subject to appeal at the Hague. Israel already depends on a foreign govt to guarantee its sovereignty. I doubt anyone believes the Hague can be co-opted by the Arab League. That idea is just a product of hate filled paranoia.

 

[fuji]

They were invited to work? This is AFTER they were fucked over by Sykes Picot. The reason they refused to participate was because they knew their input would have no weight and they refused to legitimize the process. Only an idiot would consider that actual consultation. Once again you showed you LIED. You said they were consulted and they were part of the process. THEY WERE NOT. Are your pants on fire?

They were indeed consulted. They decided not to participate , and their reasons were pure bigotry.

And your claim that they were "fucked over"is inherently offensive. You are saying that it was unfair to prevent them from subjugating Jews, denying them their right to self determination, and imposing an Islamic state on them. Sorry but that's fucked. You are just propagating f offensive idea that Palestinians have some right to subjugate Jews. They don't. Israel didn't need their permission to come into being.

 

[fuji]

Over the long run Arabs will move into the Jewish ridings and this system will naturally degrade in 50-100 years.

That is exactly your goal: a 50 to 100 year plan for the complete destruction of Israel no doubt quickly followed by the ethnic cleansing of Jews from the region.

Not going to happen.

 

[Frankfooter]

There is lots of precedent for it. Perhaps a bicameral legislature like the US but where the Senate has 50% Jews and Palis. The purpose of such a mechanism is to prevent a majority from imposing on a minority. Over the long run Arabs will move into the Jewish ridings and this system will naturally degrade in 50-100 years. Rhode Island has 2 senators and 1 million people..

Israels supreme court would become like a state court, subject to appeal at the Hague. Israel already depends on a foreign govt to guarantee its sovereignty. I doubt anyone believes the Hague can be co-opted by the Arab League. That idea is just a product of hate filled paranoia.

It is really the only way forward.
And now that both Palestinians and Israeli's reject the two state solution its time to get them to move on it.

Hopefully BDS and/or the ICC/UN can force Israel to peace without violence.

 

[cye]

There is lots of precedent for it. Perhaps a bicameral legislature like the US but where the Senate has 50% Jews and Palis. The purpose of such a mechanism is to prevent a majority from imposing on a minority. Over the long run Arabs will move into the Jewish ridings and this system will naturally degrade in 50-100 years. Rhode Island has 2 senators and 1 million people..

Israels supreme court would become like a state court, subject to appeal at the Hague. Israel already depends on a foreign govt to guarantee its sovereignty. I doubt anyone believes the Hague can be co-opted by the Arab League. That idea is just a product of hate filled paranoia.

Why not ask for free Viagara for all Terbites, at least in theory it's possible and definitely would be accepted. Neither side will accept what you propose,ever.

 

[cye]

They were invited to work? This is AFTER they were fucked over by Sykes Picot. The reason they refused to participate was because they knew their input would have no weight and they refused to legitimize the process. Only an idiot would consider that actual consultation. Once again you showed you LIED. You said they were consulted and they were part of the process. THEY WERE NOT. Are your pants on fire?

As it turns out Sykes Picot delayed final reckoning between Shia and Sunni until the Internet,liberal arms sale, and oil wealth distributed to proxies made the wholesale destruction of civilization in the middle east an attainable goal. Yeah technology.

When will you dumb fucks realize forcing Palestinians and Israeli's to share One State is worse than the current situation.

 

[Frankfooter]

As it turns out Sykes Picot delayed final reckoning between Shia and Sunni until the Internet,liberal arms sale, and oil wealth distributed to proxies made the wholesale destruction of civilization in the middle east an attainable goal. Yeah technology.

When will you dumb fucks realize forcing Palestinians and Israeli's to share One State is worse than the current situation.

When will you realize the present situation is worse then apartheid South Africa.
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=771789

 

[cye]

When will you realize the present situation is worse then apartheid South Africa.
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=771789

So what. That doesn't mean your resolution won't be worse. When you find a Mandela amongst the Palestinians and he ( because it clearly cannot be a she or a member of the LGBT community) can change what it means to be Palestinian ( and that clearly means ridding that little corner of heaven of Jews ) we can talk sanctions. Until that time I will hope Bibi 's treatment of Ya'alon and sticking his tongue up Putins asshole will help end The loss of what is essential to Israeli democracy.