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NYT: Trump Considers Attack On Iran

Butler1000

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The conspiracy theories are strong in this one.
Really? So because its anonymously reported its fact, even though nothing actually happened?

Too funny.
 

Frankfooter

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And they think re-doing all the things that got them in trouble with the UN is the best way? Do you think Iran violating essentially every part of that deal is an appropriate way to respond to Trump pulling out of the deal.
If you want to negotiate you need leverage. Now they have uranium they can give up in exchange for ending sanctions.
Really the middle east should all be nuke free if you want peace.
 
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basketcase

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If you want to negotiate you need leverage. Now they have uranium they can give up in exchange for ending sanctions.
Really the middle east should all be nuke free if you want peace.
So in your mind, the best way for a criminal to plea-bargain is to commit more crimes? Yep, that seems like your kind of logic.
 

Frankfooter

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So in your mind, the best way for a criminal to plea-bargain is to commit more crimes? Yep, that seems like your kind of logic.
What crime?
The JCPOA is not in effect anymore, since Trump ended it.
 

bver_hunter

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Trump trying to take down a Democratically elected Government in the USA itself violates all Nobel Peace Prize Ethics. Period!!

Two sides to every story:

Trump Nobel Peace Prize nomination - what you need to know:

 

basketcase

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What crime?
The JCPOA is not in effect anymore, since Trump ended it.
So why are Iran and all those EU countries still acting like it is?

Sadly your appreciation of Iran's anti-western and anti-Israel views has you pretending overt actions repeatedly condemned by the UN are a good thing. Would you also claim the US moving their fleets and nuclear submarines to just outside Iran's 12-mile limit is a good negotiation tactic?
 

Frankfooter

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So why are Iran and all those EU countries still acting like it is?

Sadly your appreciation of Iran's anti-western and anti-Israel views has you pretending overt actions repeatedly condemned by the UN are a good thing. Would you also claim the US moving their fleets and nuclear submarines to just outside Iran's 12-mile limit is a good negotiation tactic?
So you are saying Iran is acting like the JCPOA is active?

I'm all for pressuring Iran to respect human rights more, as we should with Saudi Arabia, Israel and all other rogue states.
I have no idea why you think only Iran should be held to those standards though, make the entire middle east sign anti-nuke treaties.
Oh, right, they all did except for Israel.

And if you want to stop wars there, why don't you call out the state that just assassinated people in a foreign country and continues to bomb their neighbours?
Oh, and Canada just voted with the rest of the world calling on Israel to end the occupation of Palestine.
Do you or do you not support Canada?
 

shack

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One can support Canada without having to agree on every decision.
 

Butler1000

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Sure more reliable than your claims that Biden is the threat.
You his authorship of the Patriot Act, the single most Authoritarian piece of legislation in the history of the USA doesn't mean anything.

And yes as the Senior Senator in both Justice and Foreign affairs he is one of the authors.
 

basketcase

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So you are saying Iran is acting like the JCPOA is active?
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Are you saying you're not able of being honest?

The EU is treating it as if JCPOA is in force. Iran is intentionally violating every aspect.

And are you really asking why Iran should be held to the NPT deal it signed? I know you don't like reality but I've repeatedly said that Iran should actually abide by the NPT or do like North Korea did and withdraw from it.

But keep on pathetically trying to blame Israel for Iran's provocative nuclear actions.
 

basketcase

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You his authorship of the Patriot Act, the single most Authoritarian piece of legislation in the history of the USA doesn't mean anything.

And yes as the Senior Senator in both Justice and Foreign affairs he is one of the authors.
I liked you better when you were claiming Hillary was a top assassin.
 

basketcase

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Oh, and Canada just voted with the rest of the world calling on Israel to end the occupation of Palestine.
Do you or do you not support Canada?
If you really want to discuss this, you'll be upset. Go back to the thread last year when this was voted for an I am 100% clear that I support this stance and the creation of a Palestinian state. I just think that the Palestinians need to agree to this; it can't be forced upon them. You on the other hand stand against Canada, first by promoting this One State farce and secondly by your claims that Canada is wrong to consider Hamas a terrorist entity.
 

Frankfooter

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Are you saying you're not able of being honest?

The EU is treating it as if JCPOA is in force. Iran is intentionally violating every aspect.
Be accurate.
1) they aren't violating 'every aspect; if the JCPOA, they are enriching within the NPT limits
2) Trump took the US out of the treaty, meaning its no longer active.
3) That means Iran is free to do what they want and there is nothing that can be done about it until a non moron can negotiate again with Iran.
4) Iran agreed to the JCPOA in exchange for ending sanctions, the EU is for ending those sanctions but Trump put them back in place unilaterally, removing any reason for Iran to abide.

And are you really asking why Iran should be held to the NPT deal it signed?
Be accurate.
1) Iran signed the NPT, unlike Israel.
2) they are abiding by the NPT but not the JCPOA, which the US ended.

Why the grief for Iran but you continue to not care about Israel, Sudan, India and Pakistan who have not ever signed the NPT.
Its very hypocritcal.
 

Frankfooter

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If you really want to discuss this, you'll be upset. Go back to the thread last year when this was voted for an I am 100% clear that I support this stance and the creation of a Palestinian state. I just think that the Palestinians need to agree to this; it can't be forced upon them. You on the other hand stand against Canada, first by promoting this One State farce and secondly by your claims that Canada is wrong to consider Hamas a terrorist entity.
If you are for this then you must be for handing back all of the illegal settlements that are internationally recognized as Palestinian land, not Israeli.
You can't be for the two state solution yet claim that Israel gets to keep land gained through illegal occupation.
 

Butler1000

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I liked you better when you were claiming Hillary was a top assassin.
Lol. I never said that. Not once. I said as SOS she was a key figure in the "Leading from behind" trope they used when Nato forces bombed Libya.

You are mistaking me for soneone else.
 

basketcase

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Be accurate.
1) they aren't violating 'every aspect; if the JCPOA, they are enriching within the NPT limits
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As usual in your desperation to defend Iran you make stuff up.

JCPOA limited to 3.67%. They have been enriching up to 4.5%

You'll probably call it Israeli propaganda but here's AP reporting on the IAEA's latest report.
 

basketcase

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If you are for this then you must be for handing back all of the illegal settlements that are internationally recognized as Palestinian land, not Israeli.
You can't be for the two state solution yet claim that Israel gets to keep land gained through illegal occupation.
Yes, as I have repeated endlessly, I support a negotiated peace based on the '67 lines including the possibility of mutually agreed upon land swaps (just like the UN and Canada support). You on the other hand have this fantasy of forcing Palestinians to become Israelis against their will.