Are you for real? Again - what video were you watching? And even the motherfucking coroner called it homicide. Ye gawds! How can anyone be THAT much of an apologist for police brutality?
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NYPD chokehold case
- Thread starter Smallcock
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What you are also saying, every fucking time you go on about how it's his own damned fault, is that stupidity deserves death. Fortunately - and seeing as how dumb your position is, fortunately for you even - this is not the case.What I'm saying is that resisting PD when they are trying to detain you is stupid.
You're saying that everyone who gets detained dies? Cause I've been detained by PD and i talked my way out without dying. Have you ever been arrested or detained by PD?
What I'm saying is that resisting PD when they are trying to detain you is stupid.
Jesus, you're thick. What I have been saying this whole time; a choke is lethal force, it has a much higher chance of killing someone than a joint lock or other appropriate pain compliance technique. Not once did I ever advocate resisting arrest, I am saying that that level of resistance and behaviour does not justify the use of lethal force, ever.
Funny, I didn't see lethal force being used, I saw cops trying to affect the arrest of a man much larger than them, who was resisting arrest.
You're probably not familiar with the use of force model, while I don't condone your ignorance, I understand it. A choke is considered lethal force in virtually every modern law enforcement curricula, to the extent which the officer in question's jurisdiction, doesn't even teach its use.
And what I'm saying is that if PD wants to detain you, don't resist. So I guess you haven't ever been detained by PD before.
No. Here is what you are saying, loud and clear...
"And what I'm saying is that if PD wants to detain you, don't resist, or they might kill you. And if you do resist, they have carte blanche to kill you. Because that is right and just and there is nothing wrong with that."
What kind of sociopath actually thinks like that?
And what I'm saying is that if PD wants to detain you, don't resist. So I guess you haven't ever been detained by PD before.
Nope, can't say that I have; not being a criminal is a condition of being a gun owner in Canada. I guess you're not familiar with use of force training. A chokehold is not a justifiable control technique for an active resistant subject, it is viewed as lethal force and should be reserved for a situation where there is an immediate threat of grievous bodily harm or death.
Stop trying to twist shit, I never said he deserved to die and I'm sure the officers didn't think he would either. He died because of underlying medical issues caused by his arrest, mainly the weight applied to his chest while on the ground. Shame it happened, but it's a shame he didn't just comply.
You're mistaken. He did not die from any underlying medical issue. The coroner determined that he died due to the force applied to his neck as a result of the chokehold. It crushed his breathing apparatus.
You're seeing, hearing, and reading what confirms your own biases rather than what is seen and heard in the video and in the medical reports.
I get it. He's a bad man for selling cigarettes. He's been detained before for selling cigarettes. He shouldn't sell cigarettes. However, don't let the fact that he was a bad cigarette man cloud your judgement on what took place the day he died.
If you resist arrest then unfortunately you might die. If you don't resist then there is a greater chance you won't die.
I'll try to talk using small words for you:
If you decide to speed you might get a ticket. If you decide to run from an officer instead of getting the ticket there is a greater chance you may die then if you just got the ticket.
Eric was arrested and released 30 times over 30 years.
I'll try to talk using small words for you:
If you decide to speed you might get a ticket. If you decide to run from an officer instead of getting the ticket there is a greater chance you may die then if you just got the ticket.
Eric was arrested and released 30 times over 30 years.
Eric was arrested and released 30 times over 30 years.
Correct. What was the difference between this arrest and the 30 previous arrests? A violent takedown and banned chokehold applied.
When did a cop lunging after a person become equal to placing them under arrest? I still am unaware of what part in the video you saw where they stated that he was under arrest prior to or during their brutal physical assault on the victim, who was not resisting.
I'll use some small words too. Did he deserve to die?If you resist arrest then unfortunately you might die. If you don't resist then there is a greater chance you won't die.
I'll try to talk using small words for you:
If you decide to speed you might get a ticket. If you decide to run from an officer instead of getting the ticket there is a greater chance you may die then if you just got the ticket.
Eric was arrested and released 30 times over 30 years.
Good. More small words: did someone kill him?No he didn't deserve to die.
If you resist arrest then unfortunately you might die.
I'll try to talk using small words for you:
If you decide to speed you might get a ticket. If you decide to run from an officer instead of getting the ticket there is a greater chance you may die then if you just got the ticket..
If you're speeding you might die in a car crash, but there should be practically no chance of you dying from a gang of cops crushing your throat.
Correct. What was the difference between this arrest and the 39 previous arrests? A violent takedown and banned chokehold applied.
When did a cop lunging after a person become equal to placing them under arrest? I still am unaware of what part in the video you saw where they stated that he was under arrest prior to or during their brutal physical assault on the victim, who was not resisting.
When you don't follow the instructions of PD when they are trying to detain you, that is resisting arrest:
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/PEN/THREE/L/205/205.30
N.Y. PEN. LAW § 205.30 : NY Code - Section 205.30
A person is guilty of resisting arrest when he intentionally prevents or attempts to prevent a police officer or peace officer from effecting an authorized arrest of himself or another person. Resisting arrest is a class A misdemeanor.
Good. More small words: did someone kill him?
Small word for you: No. Did he resist arrest?
When you don't follow the instructions of PD when they are trying to detain you, that is resisting arrest:
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/PEN/THREE/L/205/205.30
N.Y. PEN. LAW § 205.30 : NY Code - Section 205.30
A person is guilty of resisting arrest when he intentionally prevents or attempts to prevent a police officer or peace officer from effecting an authorized arrest of himself or another person. Resisting arrest is a class A misdemeanor.
Now show me the part where it says that resisting arrest justifies lethal force.
If you're speeding you might die in a car crash, but there should be practically no chance of you dying from a gang of cops crushing your throat.
Not only might you die when fleeing from police you might kill someone else in the process, and there is even less chance of dying from a gang of cops when you either don't resist or don't commit a crime to be arrested for.
When you don't follow the instructions of PD when they are trying to detain you, that is resisting arrest:
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/PEN/THREE/L/205/205.30
N.Y. PEN. LAW § 205.30 : NY Code - Section 205.30
A person is guilty of resisting arrest when he intentionally prevents or attempts to prevent a police officer or peace officer from effecting an authorized arrest of himself or another person. Resisting arrest is a class A misdemeanor.
And a class A misdemeanor carries a death sentence? You are pathetic.
Now show me the part where it says that resisting arrest justifies lethal force.
I'm not justifying lethal force. I'm saying that when you resist arrest shit happens and the chance of shit happening is exponential greater when you resist then when you don't, but that exponential gets multiplied when you have a medical condition.
Don't commit the crime if you can do the time.
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