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Not getting younger

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Its early, old guy.
From your poll.

Do you know that’s
A) from Jan 2023
B) mines from Jan 2024
C) how polls work
D) approval is very sifferent
E) this one is from 2 days ago

Get back to me when it’s closer to 2026

And do you not grasp after now what has to be 50,000 swings and another 1 billion things. That you are way out of your depth and league and maybe you should stop trying? And why that is?

Maybe read more instead?
 

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that those who matter, don’t give two shits about your ribbons?

That said, obviously given I’ve reminded people possibly you or squeezer about the 407 When Harris comes up. And numerous times when talking ( not copying and pasting) about the GTAs reputation and tolls on the 412/418. For once you agree with me.
It’s not so much about which party, or policy. But buying the throne in Queens park and Ottawa

Do you and others remember why and to who, Wynne sold 49% of Hydro one?

So why do we need tolls as per Drummond? See why Wynne sold H1
You are the one constantly deflecting and yet your feathers seemed to be ruffled when I throw similar barrels into the equation!!

I speak the facts and we know that Harris leased the 407 for 99 years, just to balance the budget.

Remember that the 407 costed far more to acquire the land etc. over decades. But even Doggie Boy was critical about this sweetheart dear by the Harris Govt.:

‘I would have never sold it’: Doug Ford says privatizing Highway 407 was a mistake


But you and the right wingers are criticizing the Wynn Govt. for the privatization of Hydro One.
Fact is that the Harris Govt. desperately tried to privatize this Hydro One. But thanks to McGuinty and the Liberals they managed to shoot down that attempt:

But the party’s view on privatization appears to have evolved over the decades. Harris originally tried to sell all of Hydro One in 2001, which was opposed at the time by the McGuinty-led Liberals, but his successor, Ernie Eves, abandoned that push after a court challenge.
We know that wynn got a much better deal than Harris would have if he did so in 2001!!
 

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You are the one constantly deflecting and yet your feathers seemed to be ruffled when I throw similar barrels into the equation!!

I speak the facts and we know that Harris leased the 407 for 99 years, just to balance the budget.

Remember that the 407 costed far more to acquire the land etc. over decades. But even Doggie Boy was critical about this sweetheart dear by the Harris Govt.:

‘I would have never sold it’: Doug Ford says privatizing Highway 407 was a mistake


But you and the right wingers are criticizing the Wynn Govt. for the privatization of Hydro One.
Fact is that the Harris Govt. desperately tried to privatize this Hydro One. But thanks to McGuinty and the Liberals they managed to shoot down that attempt:



We know that wynn got a much better deal than Harris would have if he did so in 2001!!
Mr economics professor who doesn’t know about Rent never mind much more is back. Nor has the memory capacity to go back a few pages, never mind years to this or that and constantly needs his lightbulbs turned on.

Why did Harris lease the 407 to just a few of the people that don’t give two shits about your ribbons.

Why did Wynne sell ( huge difference) Hydro 1 do the same and to the same.

Why did Ford consider selling the LCBO, why didn’t he?

I can see yet another lightbulb going off.

Do you know the difference between the present value of money and future value of money. Never mind how to calculate both. Shame Google and twit er exist so you can copy and paste.
 

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Mr economics professor who doesn’t know about Rent never mind much more is back. Nor has the memory capacity to go back a few pages, never mind years to this or that and constantly needs his lightbulbs turned on.

Why did Harris lease the 407 to just a few of the people that don’t give two shits about your ribbons.

Why did Wynne sell ( huge difference) Hydro 1 do the same and to the same.

Why did Ford consider selling the LCBO, why didn’t he?

I can see yet another lightbulb going off.

Do you know the difference between the present value of money and future value of money. Never mind how to calculate both. Shame Google and twit er exist so you can copy and paste.
You really hate the facts when you were pushed into a corner.

Why is it okay for Harris to try and sell Hydro One, but shit was hitting the fan when Wynn did the same thing and with a better deal?

Harris screwed up with the sweetheart deal of the 407ETR which we all know by all experts would have Brought in $30 Billion into the Ontario coffers!!

Ford preferred the $1 beer rather than selling the LCBO............ROTFLMAO!!

Ohhhhhh, so Twitter-X is your source of "expertise".............say no more!! 😅 😂🤣
 

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You really hate the facts when you were pushed into a corner.

Why is it okay for Harris to try and sell Hydro One, but shit was hitting the fan when Wynn did the same thing and with a better deal?

Harris screwed up with the sweetheart deal of the 407ETR which we all know by all experts would have Brought in $30 Billion into the Ontario coffers!!

Ford preferred the $1 beer rather than selling the LCBO............ROTFLMAO!!

Ohhhhhh, so Twitter-X is your source of "expertise".............say no more!! 😅 😂🤣
how do you calculate the fwd value of money Mr pretender. And did I say it was right or wrong? I gave you three facts and you’ve danced around your lack of knowledge.and you danced around why would they do that?

let’s go further once again.
what are bond yields, what are assets and liabilities and what are revenue streams. And if you have guaranteed revenue streams for 99 years. How would you handle interest rate exposure? And I’m not talking pocket change.

You don’t have the first clue Beaver and are so far out of your depth and league it’s not funny.
 
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how do you calculate the fwd value of money Mr pretender. And did I say it was right or wrong? I gave you three facts and you’ve danced around your lack of knowledge.and you danced around why would they do that?

let’s go further once again.
what are bond yields, what are assets and liabilities and what are revenue streams. And if you have guaranteed revenue streams for 99 years. How would you handle interest rate exposure? And I’m not talking pocket change.

You don’t have the first clue Beaver and are so far out of your depth and league it’s not funny.
Once again total gibberish from you. The reason that the 407ETR was built was to benefit ALL THE TAXPAYERS and not just an elite few that can afford it presently. There are many users I know that are living from pay check to pay check who have no option but to use the 407 ETR, otherwise their commuting distance will be an additional 45 minutes to one hour in either direction.
Remember that the 407ETR was leased to a Consortium of mainly Spanish investors in the first place that eventually made a killing when they sold their shares to the CPP. Mike Harris PROMISED that the tolls would not rise by more than 30%. Yet we are seeing a rise of over 200% and still rising on an annual basis. Do you think that those earning the minimum wage or even median income, are likely to ever use the 407 in anyway? If it was financial prudence why are the Ford Govt not just doing exactly the same as the Harris one by selling off the present 407? After all his debt has got even worse than Wynn's!!

Proves that you are the CLUELESS ONE!!
 
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Once again total gibberish from you. The reason that the 407ETR was built was to benefit ALL THE TAXPAYERS and not just an elite few that can afford it presently. There are many users I know that are living from pay check to pay check who have no option but to use the 407 ETR, otherwise their commuting distance will be an additional 45 minutes to one hour in either direction.
Remember that the 407ETR was leased to a Consortium of mainly Spanish investors in the first place that eventually made a killing when they sold their shares to the CPP. Mike Harris PROMISED that the tolls would not rise by more than 30%. Yet we are seeing a rise of over 200% and still rising on an annual basis. Do you think that those earning the minimum wage or even median income, are likely to ever use the 407 in anyway? If it was financial prudence why are the Ford Govt not just doing exactly the same as the Harris one by selling off the present 407? After all his debt has got even worse than Wynn's!!

Proves that you are the CLUELESS ONE!!
It’s only gibberish because you are a layman and pretender. In the same way I guess rocket science and physics is gibberish to me.

stop deflecting.
 

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Do you know that’s
A) from Jan 2023
B) mines from Jan 2024
C) how polls work
D) approval is very sifferent
E) this one is from 2 days ago

Get back to me when it’s closer to 2026

And do you not grasp after now what has to be 50,000 swings and another 1 billion things. That you are way out of your depth and league and maybe you should stop trying? And why that is?

Maybe read more instead?
Read more like this instead?
 
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It’s only gibberish because you are a layman and pretender. In the same way I guess rocket science and physics is gibberish to me.

stop deflecting.
Ohhh dear, you are just beyond redemption when you cannot accept the facts and pinned in a corner.
Then resort to the not so young repetitive gibberish....... "stop deflecting"!!
 

Frankfooter

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Ohhh dear, you are just beyond redemption when you cannot accept the facts and pinned in a corner.
Then resort to the not so young repetitive gibberish....... "stop deflecting"!!
Its like skoob and his 'distracting' claim.
'Its off topic, you're distracting' every time he's wrong.
 

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Ohhh dear, you are just beyond redemption when you cannot accept the facts and pinned in a corner.
Then resort to the not so young repetitive gibberish....... "stop deflecting"!!
You’re a tool beaver.
How do you calculate the forward value of money.
How would you handle the interest rate or currency exposure.

Think a very dumbed down scratch and lose your head “$1,000/week for life or 600,000 right now. How do you know which to choose?
.And why did all these lease, sell or consider selling crown assets. Im surprised your boss may McDonalds hired you.

fact.
You don’t even know basic terminology. Like you didn’t know so much last time.

As stated all you do actually know is childish partisan giberish and how to use google.
 

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You’re a tool beaver.
How do you calculate the forward value of money.
How would you handle the interest rate or currency exposure.

Think a very dumbed down scratch and lose your head “$1,000/week for life or 600,000 right now. How do you know which to choose?
.And why did all these lease, sell or consider selling crown assets. Im surprised your boss may McDonalds hired you.

fact.
You don’t even know basic terminology. Like you didn’t know so much last time.

As stated all you do actually know is childish partisan giberish and how to use google.
You are a real dickhead with your insults!!

Done with your gibberish and nothing but pet glance. Your logic makes zero sense!!
 

Not getting younger

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You are a real dickhead with your insults!!

Done with your gibberish and nothing but pet glance. Your logic makes zero sense!!
good,

maybe you’ve learned a life lesson and not take swings at people that are bigger, stronger, faster, smarter. Do you know lots of foolish entitled children take swings at cops too, and cops know how to read people and rooms? And that rarely goes well for them?

You don’t even grasp the difference between selling something and cash in hand, or leasing something and cash for life. Never mind why someone sells or leases or doesn’t a crown asset

Deflections, won’t save you either.
 
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Frankfooter

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You are a real dickhead with your insults!!

Done with your gibberish and nothing but pet glance. Your logic makes zero sense!!
NGY is pretty tiring.
They can't focus on any subject, write incoherent posts, can't articulate clear positions and just insult randomly.
I'm pretty done with their and skoobs posts.
The act is just boring and there is no discussion.
 

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NGY is pretty tiring.
They can't focus on any subject, write incoherent posts, can't articulate clear positions and just insult randomly.
I'm pretty done with their and skoobs posts.
The act is just boring and there is no discussion.
Yet you feel compelled to respond with trolling comments and distraction every time.
Isn't that what leftists do...accuse others of doing what they themselves are actually doing?

You answer questions with questions.
You put words in other people's mouths.
You inject distraction regardless what the topic is about.
You gaslight.
You stomp your feet and decide when the conversation is over when you are caught in your hypocrisy.

That's what you do. Every time.

Calling out hypocrisy is what I do and what I'll continue to do. You make it easy.
 
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DoFo's privatization and gifts to donors are the biggest scandals in Canadian political history.


Says who? You Frank? All you have for support of your hot air is Twit er and serious record of not knowing much.


In a few years time, once he is in the rear view with hindsight. I’ll bet JTs name is added to a sorry list.

Fords is pretty bad, but he still doesn’t come close to 15 years of liberal scandals like Air orange, e health, bribing PS unions gas plants and far far more.

Until you can name ONE, just ONE federal or provincial party in the history of Canadian politics that has had to call in a very friendly economist to tell them. They broke it, and how to fix it.

You are not even in the game, or on the starting line.
 
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