New 2019-20 Maple Leafs thread

John Wick

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Bye Bye, Kyle Clifford. Smell ya' later....
 

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The Toronto Maple Leafs hire Manny Malhotra as an assistant coach.
 

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Top 3 for Lady Byng 2020 is Nathan MacKinnon, Matthews, Ryan O'Rielly with Nathan the winner. We all know what a player Nathan is. O'Rielly was the Conn Smythe winner last year when his team won the Stanley Cup. I would say Matthews is in very good company.
I think it's very clear that Dart is off his rocker mocking Matthews for his Lady Byng. Dart has absolutely no credibility. Zip, none, nada.
 

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Darts

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So, the Leafs either individually or as a team won nothing this year. The Leafs didn't even make the playoffs.
 

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This is such a ridiculously stupid question that only someone who knows nothing about hockey would ask.
A more interesting and intelligent question would have been can the Leafs get out of the first round and beat Boston.

Leafs made the playoffs last year. Throughout the year they were one of the top teams until they took a dip late in the season and having to play Holl on defense.
Leafs got rid of dead weight. They don't have a Nylander on holdout. They got rid of Sparks. Young core players are 1 year stronger and more experienced. They no longer have players in their late 30's. Spezza hasn't made the team yet. Gauthier looked better in their first exhibition game. The team overall should be better this year so yes whether they make the playoffs is a ridiculously stupid question.

The only reason they would miss the playoffs is due to injuries to key players. Which is what happened to Tampa Bay 2 years ago.

I would say without Gardiner they will beat Boston this year in 7 games and enter unchartered territory into round 2.

They are second overall behind only Tampa Bay as odds on favourite in Vegas to win it all. That alone already answers the question what people think about Leafs making the playoffs.
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Matthews is a soft player on a soft team.
MacKinnon and O'Rielly are not soft players and not on soft teams.

Chew on that for awhile.
Ryan O'Reilly 16 hits in 71 games .2253 hits/game/42 blocks, .5915 blocks/game
Auston Matthews 40 hits in 70 games .5714 hits/game/ 60 blocks, .857 blocks/game
Nathan MacKinnon 51 hits in 69 games .7139 hits/game 31 blocks, .449 blocks/game

Could I get some tenderizer, this is chewy!
 

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Ok, different people have different opinions of how tough or soft is Matthews.

"The dude is 6’3″ and 220 pounds but refuses to go into corners or even throw a body check. Matthews is afraid someone might punch him in the face and ruin his porn stash. He does not care to win, he does not want to ruin the porn star body, he just cares about hanging out with buddies and dressing like a porn star. The Leafs just have a player that can snipe and nothing else. The Leafs are lucky they got him only on a 5-year deal."
 

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Ok, different people have different opinions of how tough or soft is Matthews.

"The dude is 6’3″ and 220 pounds but refuses to go into corners or even throw a body check. Matthews is afraid someone might punch him in the face and ruin his porn stash. He does not care to win, he does not want to ruin the porn star body, he just cares about hanging out with buddies and dressing like a porn star. The Leafs just have a player that can snipe and nothing else. The Leafs are lucky they got him only on a 5-year deal."
Those numbers are from hockey-reference.com
I didn't know they worked on opinion.
I would've thought they'd be more focused on facts, numbers.
But like a dart in the wind, who knows ....

If Auston Matthews refuses to go into corners or throw body checks, just what & where exactly are those hits taking place?

Is your comment about AM34's fear of being punched in the face based on opinion or fact?

You'd know more about male porn stars bodies than the average member of terb.

An elite scorer, in the NHL?
Gawd, I'd hate to have that guy on the team I cheer for, for 4 more seasons.
 

John Wick

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If Auston Matthews refuses to go into corners or throw body checks, just what & where exactly are those hits taking place?
Maybe I don't understand the stats above, but a total of 40 hits over 70 games rounds out to less than 1 hit per game. Let that register.... he throws less than 1 hit per game. Why is anyone wasting time talking about how tough he is? If 'tough' vs. 'soft', in this conversation, is being measure by number of hits, I think the answer is clear.
 

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Ok, different people have different opinions of how tough or soft is Matthews.

"The dude is 6’3″ and 220 pounds but refuses to go into corners or even throw a body check. Matthews is afraid someone might punch him in the face and ruin his porn stash. He does not care to win, he does not want to ruin the porn star body, he just cares about hanging out with buddies and dressing like a porn star. The Leafs just have a player that can snipe and nothing else. The Leafs are lucky they got him only on a 5-year deal."
That's as stupid and juvenile a quote as I've ever read.
If you're going to use this kind of stuff to support your opinions, you've lost me.
If they said his mother wears army boots, would you give that any serious consideration and post it here?
 

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Book coming out soon ... Off His Rocker
Dart's life works on Terb.
 
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That's as stupid and juvenile a quote as I've ever read.
If you're going to use this kind of stuff to support your opinions, you've lost me.
If they said his mother wears army boots, would you give that any serious consideration and post it here?
Actually, I thought about editing out some of the silly stuff and only retain the part about him avoiding body contact but decided not to mess with someone else's quote.

There are many more quotes out there on social and mainstream media that describe Matthews as a soft player.
"He is a one-way player who plays a soft game."
https://www.thestar.com/sports/brea...ander-in-facing-the-wrath-of-leaf-nation.html
 

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Maybe I don't understand the stats above, but a total of 40 hits over 70 games rounds out to less than 1 hit per game. Let that register.... he throws less than 1 hit per game. Why is anyone wasting time talking about how tough he is? If 'tough' vs. 'soft', in this conversation, is being measure by number of hits, I think the answer is clear.
We had a discussion about the Leaf's lack of toughness just after the start of last season and the vast majority of members agree the Leafs lack toughness. Any knowledgeable hockey fan knows Matthews is not a tough player, Also, nothing has changed for this coming season (if there is one).
 

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When you’re talking about the skilled players at an elite level, I don’t have any problems if they don’t throw one hit or block a shot. What I do care is how they play in the defensive zone. I’ve seen enough of effort at both ends of the ice from from Matthews and Marner in most games. They don’t bang like OV but they’re smart with their hands and sticks. Especially Matthews who wins a lot of battles with his smarts. It’s players like Nylander that frequently miss defensive assignments and half ass efforts that I have problems with.
 
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When you’re talking about the skilled players at an elite level, I don’t have any problems if they don’t throw one hit or block a shot. What I do care is how they play in the defensive zone. I’ve seen enough of effort at both ends of the ice from from Matthews and Marner in most games. They don’t bang like OV but they’re smart with their hands and sticks. Especially Matthews who wins a lot of battles with his smarts. It’s players like Nylander that frequently miss defensive assignments and half ass efforts that I have problems with.
A man who actually watches hockey and knows what he's talking about. Unlike Rocker.

You bring up OV. I'd like to bring up Crosby. In their careers they play different styles but it's negligible to say one is better than the other.
Let's compare the last season between Crosby and Matthews.
Crosby ... 41 games played 16 goals 31 assists for 47 points, 17 blocks, 28 hits, and 26 take aways.
Matthews 70 games played 47 goals 33 assists for 80 points, 60 blocks, 40 hits, and 78 take aways.
Both players at over a point per game pace and hit at roughly the same rate but Matthews is more the goal scorer, blocks more shots and much better at take aways.

I know plus/minus doesn't mean much to some people but OV was -12, Crosby was -8, and Matthews was +19.
Washington and Pitts were better teams than Leafs so can't say it's the result of players they were playing with the whole season.
OV may be a hitting machine but he only had 30 blocks and 28 takeaways.
 
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By the way, none of my posts are intended for Dart Rocker (brother of John) to read.
His 12 year old racist mind trapped in a 75 year old body would not be able to comprehend.
 
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When you’re talking about the skilled players at an elite level, I don’t have any problems if they don’t throw one hit or block a shot. What I do care is how they play in the defensive zone. I’ve seen enough of effort at both ends of the ice from from Matthews and Marner in most games. They don’t bang like OV but they’re smart with their hands and sticks. Especially Matthews who wins a lot of battles with his smarts.
Hey smuddan, I respect your opinions even when we might disagree as they are thoughtful and civil. I did a quick search of Leafs and toughness (or lack thereof) and here are a few examples. There are more examples but they are much all in the same vein. I still remember when Dermott got crushed to the ice and lay in a heap and no Leafs did anything.

"Can this team add some toughness to its game? That has been a rallying cry among the fan base. Dubas did upgrade the team’s grit element with by dealing for Jake Muzzin and Clifford the last couple of years, and Spezza and Kasperi Kapanen have been surprisingly spirited at times. But this is a team that often turns the other cheek. Here’s a thought: Why not ask the current roster to get mad? "

"Toughness — earlier in the season, your new captain gets rolled by Shea Weber. You have Auston Matthews hit by Brendan Dillon. Certainly, Tom Wilson was running around. We had an example of others. Young Rasmus Sandin got hit by Justin Abdelkader. What do you say about that?"




 
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