Most recent articles on prostitution related laws, opinions, comments

[wilbur]

It seems that they already received directions from the government to enforce the old laws in the Nordic Way until the new laws get voted and take effect.

I would be interested to know who exactly (which police forces) have received directions from what government department to enforce the Nordic way. Do you have a reference such as a news item?

The criminal code laws are federal, but enforcement is provincial/municipal.

 

[wilbur]

The minister of justice in Alberta told prosecutors to enforce the old laws on Johns and not sex workers:
Source:


The Alberta Trial Lawyers’ Association, one of two groups representing the province’s defence bar, has urged the province to stay the existing cases in light of the Supreme Court judgment.

“You wonder why they would still prosecute — the law is unconstitutional,” said D’Arcy DePoe, past-president of the association.

Continuing to prosecute the existing cases and charging additional people under the law as it’s written now will further clog up the province’s congested criminal courts, said DePoe.

This is what I was referring to when I said that the Alberta Minister of Justice had to remined his prosecutors to enforce the law.... because they were not doing so. Also, the writer is mistaken if the justice system in Alberta is going to prosecute people for buying sex because, up until now, buying or selling sex in Canada has never been against the law. It is the activities surrounding the selling sex, such as being found in a common bawdy house, living off the avails and communicating for the purpose of buying sex, that the SCC rules as unconstitutional. Crowns are reluctant to prosecute people over the struck down sections of the CCC because they know full well that Court is likely to throw out the charges, unless the Attorney General wants to punish through prosecution. Anyway, the Alberta Minister of Justice has no jurisdiction in other provinces. Prosecutions in other provinces are way down also.

 

[canada-man]

The majority of Canadians thinks purchasing sexual services should be illegal, but selling them should not be a criminal offence, according to a new government report.
More than 31,000 people responded to an online survey conducted by the Department of Justice to gauge the public’s attitude towards prostitution in the wake of last December’s Supreme Court ruling that struck down Canada’s anti-prostitution laws and gave Parliament one year to come up with new legislation.
Survey results show that most people favoured punishing those who solicited or profited from prostitution rather than prostitutes themselves.


Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/majori...not-be-illegal-report-1.1848419#ixzz33Riq26ds


http://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1848217!/httpFile/file.pdf

 

[krazyplayer]

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/majori...rvices-should-not-be-illegal-report-1.1848419

CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Sunday, June 1, 2014 10:00PM EDT
The majority of Canadians thinks purchasing sexual services should be illegal, but selling them should not be a criminal offence, according to a new government report.
More than 31,000 people responded to an online survey conducted by the Department of Justice to gauge the public’s attitude towards prostitution in the wake of last December’s Supreme Court ruling that struck down Canada’s anti-prostitution laws and gave Parliament one year to come up with new legislation.
Survey results show that most people favoured punishing those who solicited or profited from prostitution rather than prostitutes themselves.

Read the full report here
About two-thirds, or 66 per cent, of respondents said selling sexual services should not be a criminal offence. Meanwhile, 56 per cent of respondents said that purchasing sexual services should be illegal.
The majority also agreed that profiting from the prostitution of an adult should be a crime, though the survey noted that many of the 62 per cent in agreement thought “those who provide sexual services should be able to hire bodyguards and drivers, but that exploitive relationships (e.g. pimps) should be illegal.”
The survey also indicated what limitations people would like to see on the sale of sexual services. Many responded with concerns about health inspections of brothels and medical testing for those providing services. Others mentioned that they didn’t want prostitution taking place in residential areas, or that they wanted activities confined to brothels.
The consultation, launched in February, came in response to a December Supreme Court ruling that declared three of Canada’s prostitution provisions unconstitutional: keeping or being found in a bawdy house; living on the avails of prostitution; and communicating in public for the purpose of prostitution.
While prostitution itself is legal in Canada, the prohibition of most activities related to sex work creates an unsafe environment for sex workers, the Supreme Court ruled.
In striking down the provisions, the court gave the government one year for a legislative response before the ruling came into effect.
On its way to establishing the laws Canada will follow in the future, the government also provided background information for models used in other parts of the world.
The “decriminalization/legalization” model used in countries like the Netherlands tries to reduce the harm caused by prostitution by legalizing and regulating the practice. At the other end of the spectrum is the “prohibition” model used in most of the U.S., which prohibits all purchasing and selling of sexual services.
The third option – which seems most in line with the Canadian views expressed in the survey – is called the “abolition” or “Nordic” model, and is used in countries like Sweden and Norway. This system seeks to abolish prostitution by punishing those who use and exploit sex workers, but decriminalizes prostitution and assists the victims of sexual exploitation through programs.
With files from CTV's Omar Sachedina in Ottawa


Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/majori...not-be-illegal-report-1.1848419#ixzz33SC514qt

 

[chuckertmg]

Assuming that most of respondents who support prohibition support punishing clients as well , only 22% left support nordic model

You might or might not be correct but that's not how they're spinning it. The way the report is written sets up perfectly what they've already announced they're going to do, so we know quite well what's coming next….

 

[chuckertmg]

Did they fake the report to match what they have announced ?

I don't know if "fake" is such a good word. Let's say they "tailor" results to fit their needs. They have "spin doctors" on staff to manage P.R. reports.

 

[canada-man]

from he same article

though the survey noted that many of the 62 per cent in agreement thought “those who provide sexual services should be able to hire bodyguards and drivers, but that exploitive relationships (e.g. pimps) should be illegal.”

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/most-c...llegal-survey-reveals-1.1848419#ixzz33UIhw4OP

 

[krazyplayer]

Report: http://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1848217!/httpFile/file.pdf

 

[D-Fens]

so the question is should we all be panicking? or did we all see this coming and this is exactly what we expected? I'm not sure, I mean, at this point it's almost a given they will go Nordic Things do look grim. I am trying not to overreact but this is pretty disheartening. What was the point of this constitutional challenge that Teri Jean Bedford brought on if new laws we get are worse then the old ones? Should i start making a list of all the established independents when shit hits the fan?

I mean man...this really sucks...

and staggerspool... please clean your inbox lol

 

[Viggo Rasmussen]

What was the point of this constitutional challenge that Teri Jean Bedford brought on if new laws we get are worse then the old ones?

Unfair laws needed to be shot down, don't blame victims for wanting changes and don't blame them if the meddlers bring in more invasive laws. Stop supporting the Conservatives.

 

[staggerspool]

so the question is should we all be panicking? or did we all see this coming and this is exactly what we expected? I'm not sure, I mean, at this point it's almost a given they will go Nordic Things do look grim. I am trying not to overreact but this is pretty disheartening. What was the point of this constitutional challenge that Teri Jean Bedford brought on if new laws we get are worse then the old ones? Should i start making a list of all the established independents when shit hits the fan?

I mean man...this really sucks...

and staggerspool... please clean your inbox lol

This is just one more step along the way. The Star article I just looked at ended by noting that the survey didn't address the issue of self-selection of respondents, in other words this doesn't necessarily reflect the feeling of the public, just those with an active interest - social conservatives, those involved in the industry, etc. There will be other surveys done and reported, and once the gov actually puts their cards on the table we will have something to really chew over. This survey will help re-start the public discussion.

There will also be discussion of what the gov can actually do, what with the charter of rights and all. I actually don't know how much scope they have to make selling something legal but buying it illegal in Canada. They'd probably like to go that way, but it is not at all clear that they can do it. Perhaps this survey is good news in that it suggests that a 2/3rds majority don't want to criminalize prostitutes, suggesting that this avenue is closed to the government, and that other factors will mean that they can't make buying illegal if they want to keep selling legal. So then they'll just have to find a way to look like they are doing something, which will amount to stiffening laws around pimping and trafficking.

I note that the survey wants to keep "living off the avails" illegal - which it already was. Seems not to have stopped agencies from thriving... if the police wanted or could charge agency owners with living off the avails, that would have already been happening, and the industry would already be way underground. But it isn't.

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[D-Fens]

Unfair laws needed to be shot down, don't blame victims for wanting changes and don't blame them if the meddlers bring in more invasive laws. Stop supporting the Conservatives.

Terri Jean knew who would be drafting new legislation, I am just curious why she didn't have the foresight to know we might have an even worse regime then before that's all and I don't support the conservatives.

I think the worst part is just not knowing, how bad things are really going to get, how long will this process take? just how soon could we get new laws? there is just so much conflicting information out there and over the last few months for TERB it's been business as usual. I know that enforcing these new laws will depend very much on the municipal level and some police forces will be more aggressive then others.

I am trying not to be a fear mongering conspiracy theorist (like some others on here but I won't mention any names I'm sure you know who you are) but the just not knowing, it's really tough to deal with being someone who suffers from chronic anxiety this is not good for me.

I just want to be prepared when shit hits the fan that's all, but for all I know these new laws could come in and things might not be that different, it will still be business as usual on TERB it will be the same as before, they'll just charge us instead of the sp if they catch us. From what I heard in Toronto the cops only investigate prostituion related stuff when they've got complaints, (although I could be wrong about this) will this change when new laws come in and we are targeted instead?

 

[freedom3]

Terri Jean knew who would be drafting new legislation, I am just curious why she didn't have the foresight to know we might have an even worse regime then before that's all and I don't support the conservatives.

Terri Jean (and the other plaintiffs) didn't care if things got worse for prostitutes. They were only trying to improve things for themselves. How is Terri Jean worse off now then she was before? She isn't. Her worst case scenario was that she still couldn't open her business.

The other plaintiff wanted to open a brothel. She couldn't then and she can't now. No sweat off her back.

Alan Young, for his part, was very clear that he only cared about making a "reasoned argument" and that he couldn't care less what the ultimate outcome was.

 

[staggerspool]

Terri Jean knew who would be drafting new legislation, I am just curious why she didn't have the foresight to know we might have an even worse regime then before that's all and I don't support the conservatives.

I think the worst part is just not knowing, how bad things are really going to get, how long will this process take? just how soon could we get new laws? there is just so much conflicting information out there and over the last few months for TERB it's been business as usual. I know that enforcing these new laws will depend very much on the municipal level and some police forces will be more aggressive then others.

I am trying not to be a fear mongering conspiracy theorist (like some others on here but I won't mention any names I'm sure you know who you are) but the just not knowing, it's really tough to deal with being someone who suffers from chronic anxiety this is not good for me.

I just want to be prepared when shit hits the fan that's all, but for all I know these new laws could come in and things might not be that different, it will still be business as usual on TERB it will be the same as before, they'll just charge us instead of the sp if they catch us. From what I heard in Toronto the cops only investigate prostituion related stuff when they've got complaints, will this change when new laws come in and we are targeted instead?

The gov will have a proposal before the summer recess, so by June 20, unless they extend. Shit can't hit the fan until whatever evolves from that becomes law, and since they have a deadline of the end of the year, it will likely be before then. The house is back Sept 15th, then the various readings and committee considerations will commence. Lots of discussion, polls, articles, opinions, mad ravings, considered arguments, etc to go before anything is finalized. Then we will see how the result is implemented. If they do something outlandish, there will be challenges, decisions, challenges to the decisions, local interpretations, etc. One day we will all be dead, and this will probably still be going on. I think it best to just accept that this is like the rest of life - you never really know how it's gonna go until they put you in the ground. And then you don't really know either.

I try to make not knowing a way of life. Maybe the law will work out great, and I'll celebrate by hiring an escort who then bites my dick off... and if the law goes bad, I will still hire escorts, I just won't fuck them. There's something cool about having a lovely young naked woman sitting on my couch discussing philosophy and sub atomic physics that is worth the price anyway...

 

[D-Fens]

I just wonder what will TERB be like after all this... wonder how fred zed will deal this. It will probably still be here but will it be the same... Funny thing is it will be a lot easier for them to just adopt the American model. No court challenges, and is satisfies the conservative user base.

 

[Fred Zed]

I just wonder what will TERB be like after all this... wonder how fred zed will deal this. It will probably still be here but will it be the same... Funny thing is it will be a lot easier for them to just adopt the American model. No court challenges, and is satisfies the conservative user base.

TERB is not leaving town, why should we ? After the Nordic law is passed some of the members will panic and have their accounts deleted but I'm sure most will return after the dust settles.

 

[D-Fens]

TERB is not leaving town, why should we ? After the Nordic law is implemented some of the members will panic and have their accounts deleted but I'm sure most will return after the dust settles.

Do you think things are really going to be that much different? One thing I wonder about is if people on here are going to be much more suspicious of new members.

 

[drlove]

so the question is should we all be panicking? or did we all see this coming and this is exactly what we expected? I'm not sure, I mean, at this point it's almost a given they will go Nordic Things do look grim. I am trying not to overreact but this is pretty disheartening. What was the point of this constitutional challenge that Teri Jean Bedford brought on if new laws we get are worse then the old ones? Should i start making a list of all the established independents when shit hits the fan?

I mean man...this really sucks...

Were you expecting something else?? Time to take off your rose colored glasses - why do you think I kept referring to Bedford as an idiot?

 

[explorerzip]

Just came out today. http://www.thestar.com/projects/prostitution.html

This quote is particularly interesting because Toronto already has this going on. I guess the writer didn't bother to do her research closer to home. "Think about it. Toronto could end up with brothels. So could Kamloops and Gimli, imagine that. No, think about it harder. The house next door — or the condo one thin wall away — could legally welcome men buying sex, you’d have to share the elevator with them, your children would pass them in the street."

 

[canada-man]

nobody is talking how illogical the nordic model will be when the law on bawdy houses, communication and living off the avails are struck down