On a lighter note, how many current/future laws are broken here. http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/2014/05/12/popularity-gets-teachers-goat
Most recent articles on prostitution related laws, opinions, comments
- Thread starter gustave55
- Start date
Well, I hope from a legal POV that that lawyer is right, but that apparent inconsistency is not considered discriminatory by the government because they view purchasers as not being exploited or 'victims'.
What would be dangerous to purchasers if a Nordic model is adopted that didn't exist before?
Prohibition of alcohol worked like a charm. I'm certain that anything related to prostitution regulation will work just as well. Aren't there actual important issues that the government should be focusing on? In all my years in the hobby, I've never seen anyone who's underaged or clearly hated what she was doing.
This is democracy in action, my friend. Your opinion doesn't count. Unless you have $1B to invest. Then we're all ears.
Honestly though, tell Harper to fuck off. There's crisis in Ukraine, Arctic issues with Russia, and yet he finds time to deal with completely self-regulated prostitution industry without minors and sex trade involved??? What kind of a leader is he? Please vote against his party in the upcoming elections. This conservative dude needs to go.
If MacKay is smart enough, he will know if religious groups stacked the comments. Many comments will likely have the same text. He would also know that it's not the religious nut cases alone that are going to get them re-elected, and it's unrealistic to expect that the radical feminist abolitionists are ever going to vote Conservative, even if the new law satisfies them. This issue is potentially very divisive. The silent majority are the ones not likely to publicly admit that they support sex-workers rights, and probably the ones who will hold the balance of power in the next elections. If the Conservatives come up with a harsh prohibitionist law, there could be a silent majority backlash. That's why previous governments never took a solid stand on prostitution, one way or the other.
He has to listen if he's interested for his party to remain in power next year. Not pissing off voters is the key to politics. If they don't listen and pander to fringe group, and they lose the elections because of it, then they didn't deserve to stay in power anyway. That's why Harper, despite his religious beliefs, has stayed away from the abortion issue, and continued with the policy of previous governments. Governments now make policy based on polls, and they will legislate with the object of offending the least amount of voters.
I sincerely hope you're right about that, wilbur - but from what I've been hearing, the future doesn't look too promising, for the short term at least.
I hear Mackay is making a statement tomorrow about the public consultation on prostitution. Hold on to your hats.
Poll finds majority of Israelis don't think going to a prostitute is a crime
Ahead of a Knesset discussion of a bill seeking to make paying for sexual services a criminal offense, a poll released Tuesday found that the majority of the public is against criminalizing the solicitation of prostitutes.
Some 63 percent of respondents to the Geocartography Institute poll, commissioned by the Association for the Regularization of Prostitution in Israel, agreed that criminal punishment should not be given to those who buy sexual services from prostitutes if both sides agree to the transaction.
The poll was conducted among 506 adult Jewish-Israeli respondents.
The survey found that 54% of women and 73% of men do not see soliciting a prostitute as a criminal offense.
The Association for the Regularization of Prostitution in Israel claims that legislation criminalizing prostitution would mainly harm women who work as prostitutes.
"Among other things, this law would prevent those in social services and welfare from having access to the women, whose activities would be pushed underground. It would also prevent women from reporting abuse from customers from fear that they would be incriminating themselves," said the head of the association who goes under the assumed name Shelly.
"A woman has the exclusive right to decide if she wants to work in prostitution and it is forbidden for anyone to interfere," she added. "That is the meaning of feminism and we must put an end to the condescension and paternalism of politicians and others who purport to speak for the prostitutes and determine what is good for them."
http://www.jpost.com/National-News/...think-going-to-a-prostitute-is-a-crime-354470
Ahead of a Knesset discussion of a bill seeking to make paying for sexual services a criminal offense, a poll released Tuesday found that the majority of the public is against criminalizing the solicitation of prostitutes.
Some 63 percent of respondents to the Geocartography Institute poll, commissioned by the Association for the Regularization of Prostitution in Israel, agreed that criminal punishment should not be given to those who buy sexual services from prostitutes if both sides agree to the transaction.
The poll was conducted among 506 adult Jewish-Israeli respondents.
The survey found that 54% of women and 73% of men do not see soliciting a prostitute as a criminal offense.
The Association for the Regularization of Prostitution in Israel claims that legislation criminalizing prostitution would mainly harm women who work as prostitutes.
"Among other things, this law would prevent those in social services and welfare from having access to the women, whose activities would be pushed underground. It would also prevent women from reporting abuse from customers from fear that they would be incriminating themselves," said the head of the association who goes under the assumed name Shelly.
"A woman has the exclusive right to decide if she wants to work in prostitution and it is forbidden for anyone to interfere," she added. "That is the meaning of feminism and we must put an end to the condescension and paternalism of politicians and others who purport to speak for the prostitutes and determine what is good for them."
http://www.jpost.com/National-News/...think-going-to-a-prostitute-is-a-crime-354470
There have always been brothels in Syria, and they were very open (don't know now because of the war), so not subject to police action. Nowadays, a lot of Syrian and Iraqi refugee women turn to prostitution in desperation to feed their relatives.
You should beware of anti-arab stereotypes, and the mainsteam media propaganda that make all you sheeple toe the US government geo-political line.
Israel has had a big problem with trafficking women and tricking them into the sex-trade. in poor countries like Moldova and Ukraine, girls respond to ads promising them adventure and lots of money in Israel and Turkey as dancers and bar maids. They get roped in when they arrive and are told they owe for the trip (with huge mark-ups) and are stuck until they pay up; until then, the facilitators withhold their passports and then force them into prostitution against their will. If they go to the Israeli police, they get charged with working illegally and locked up until deportation. If they file a complaint, they still get locked up as risk of flight witnesses. Complaints involve forcible confinement, assault, extortion and rape. If they do arrest and charge the pimps, most are let go with a fine after a plea bargain, or if they go to jail, it's not more than 6 months. Meanwhile, the girl who fled to the police is locked up for over a year until the trial takes place, and then deported without any compensation. So girls who are caught up in this mess are not so likely to seek help and resolve to endure the rest of their term, servicing clients.
In one case, a Ukraininan girls passed a note to a sympathetic client asking his help to escape. He went to the police and they laughed at him. He phoned her mother in Ukraine to tell her what she was doing and where she was, and it was only after the Ukrainian foreign ministry called in the Israeli embassador in to complain and put them on notice that Israeli police rescued her.
So don't be so praising of Israelis. The real definition of human trafficking is alive there, where women are tricked, coerced against their will and kidnapped usually by the Israeli-Russian mob.
I've got the impression that they are going to come up with a bill, see what the polls and public reaction is, and then call elections. They are going to do the same with the firearms act. Then they are going to say that, if they their constituency wants these bills to become law, they are going top have to re-elect them in power.
No. The election isn't until 2015. The SCC has clearly stated that new laws must be in place by the end of December of this year; Otherwise, the exisitng laws will be struck off the books, and there will be a legislative void. The Cons will never allow that to happen.
Last edited:
The 3 old CCC sections, while still on the books until the one year deadline is up, are not currently being enforced anyway. So even if the one year stay comes and goes, it won't practically change anything. Police are now concentrating on trafficking, whatever that means. 2015 BTW, is only 8 months away, and bills sometimes take at least that long to go through the parliamentary process. The Bill could get delayed a long time through committee hearings. There's going to be a big hoopla when it goes to committee, and the government can just pull the election switch if they want out.
The Attorney General of Alberta had to remind police forces and Crown prosecutors to enforce the law on the books, including the 3 CCC prostitution sections in question. But nobody's listening. I'm not going to do a search just to prove my point, but prosecutions are way down. Crowns know judges would throw out the charges anyway because the SCC has deemed them unconstitutional. How could a court convict someone based on a law that was declared unconstitutional, albeit still on the books? It would be a moral dilemma.
Enforcing these sections just on clients would mean that the Nordic model is here..... not yet.
