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bver_hunter

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She is 100% correct when she states that breathing in this diesel fumes is toxic. Unless of course you use it as a body deodorant. LOL!!

 

WyattEarp

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I'm curious Frank. Do you consider yourself a Marxist? This seems to be coming out stronger in your posts more and more. Do you believe there isn't anything the government shouldn't provide for its population? I think you were hinting towards wage (higher minimum) and price (lower profits) controls in another post.

I have true Marxist friends who won't publicly declare it. You tell them that wanting to regulate and control almost all of the productive side of the economy is Marxist and they snap back they accept free enterprise. (They don't exactly embrace it.) The problem is if the government controls too much and takes away too many of the incentives that motivate people and businesses you will have a stagnant economy.
 
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WyattEarp

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Rubio like most Repugs getting bitch slapped during a debate.

I don't watch the debates outside my state. It seems like social media is flooded with all these liberal Monday morning quarterbacks declaring a debate victory for the Democrat.

The problem is these debate victories aren't showing up in the poll trends. Is it possible that a lot of these social media warriors are just hype artists. People wouldn't do that, would they?

Anyhoo, you probably can tell I am not of fan of pundits left or right telling me what happened. If you like being told what happened, that's cool but Rubio is going to cruise to victory in a fairly competitive state.
 

squeezer

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I don't watch the debates outside my state. It seems like social media is flooded with all these liberal Monday morning quarterbacks declaring a debate victory for the Democrat.

The problem is these debate victories aren't showing up in the poll trends. Is it possible that a lot of these social media warriors are just hype artists. People wouldn't do that, would they?

Anyhoo, you probably can tell I am not of fan of pundits left or right telling me what happened. If you like being told what happened, that's cool but Rubio is going to cruise to victory in a fairly competitive state.
He will win because it's Florida. I don't agree it is a competitive state, it is a red strong hold.

Pundit or no pundit, if you watch the entire debate, it is obvious he had his lunch handed to him but as I mentioned he will still win.

 
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Frankfooter

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I'm curious Frank. Do you consider yourself a Marxist? This seems to be coming out stronger in your posts more and more. Do you believe there isn't anything the government shouldn't provide for its population? I think you were hinting towards wage and price controls in another post.

I have true Marxist friends who won't publicly declare it. You tell them that wanting to regulate and control almost all of the productive side of the economy is Marxist and they snap back they accept free enterprise. (They don't exactly embrace it.) The problem is if the government controls too much and takes away too many of the incentives that motivate people and businesses you will have a stagnant economy.
I'm curious Wyatt, are you so far right that everyone looks like a commie in comparison?
My views are totally mainstream in Canada, liberal with maybe a bit of NDP.

Right wingers don't seem to be able to understand a) the difference between socialism and communism and b) that they support some forms of socialism already.
 

WyattEarp

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He will win because it's Florida. I don't agree it is a competitive state, it is a red strong hold.

Pundit or no pundit, if you watch the entire debate, it is obvious he had his lunch handed to him but as I mentioned he will still win.

I think you are forcing the point about red strong hold. DeSantis won the 2018 Florida Governor's race 49.6% to Gillum 49.2% (definitely not a moderate). He's solidified his popularity through his first term.

There's an odd and bizarre strategy both parties seem to be employing in competitive states. The state candidates start to sound a lot like the national party. In the recent past, Florida Democrats won elections and were considered moderates on Capital Hill. Now you might think current Gubernatorial candidate Charlie Christ is a moderate, but he's known for being an opportunist who has recently has had to acquiesce to the Left.

By the way, most of the media thinks Democrats always win the debate. If you hear the things you want to here from a candidate, you're going to be influenced by your views. Donald Trump did well in some debates and did poorly in others. He never sounded like the rogue that he was. Even Biden performed fairly well in the 2020 debates even if he sounded too scripted to me.

Rubio didn't really have to "win" the debate. He just needed to do an adequate job. I presume he didn't have a lapse where he repeated himself five times. Rubio is not a dynamic debater. I will actually watch the DeSantis-Crist debate. I think DeSantis will be a good debater and he's clearly a national candidate. Crist is no slouch either.
 

WyattEarp

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I'm curious Wyatt, are you so far right that everyone looks like a commie in comparison?
My views are totally mainstream in Canada, liberal with maybe a bit of NDP.

Right wingers don't seem to be able to understand a) the difference between socialism and communism and b) that they support some forms of socialism already.
I know a lot of Canadians. I don't believe you are at the center of Canadian politics.

Social media might give you a distorted view. The far left participants are louder and more aggressive than anyone else.

The question isn't socialism or communism. The question is do you ever think there's areas of the economy where government should stay out of the way. If you think government should try to do or regulate almost every economic activity, that's more a Marxist tinge than socialism. I think even the Swedes have backtracked from too much "socialism".

In my opinion, you resemble the French center more than the Canadian center.
 

Frankfooter

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I know a lot of Canadians. I don't believe you are at the center of Canadian politics.

Social media might give you a distorted view. The far left participants are louder and more aggressive than anyone else.

The question isn't socialism or communism. The question is do you ever think there's areas of the economy where government should stay out of the way. If you think government should try to do or regulate almost every economic activity, that's more a Marxist tinge than socialism. I think even the Swedes have backtracked from too much "socialism".

In my opinion, you resemble the French center more than the Canadian center.
Your opinion is not informed on Canadian views.
You can complain, and fairly, that we don't know all that's going on down there but then you should you also understand you don't know what's going on here.
Even if you do have a couple of likely right wing, Canadian friends.
 

squeezer

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I think you are forcing the point about red strong hold. DeSantis won the 2018 Florida Governor's race 49.6% to Gillum 49.2% (definitely not a moderate). He's solidified his popularity through his first term.
The data shows differently

 

WyattEarp

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The data shows differently

Did you even bother to look at the data closely?

The Republican Presidential candidate has received 49.1% or less four out of the last six elections. Obama carried it twice. Trump carried it twice. That my friend is the definition of competitive. Are you going to argue that Florida should flip-flop every four years to be deemed competitive?

I have some thoughts on why it might appear Florida is slipping away. I won't go into it because it will disturb the narrative that so others hold on to dearly and try to slog here. So for now.......let's just say Obama won the state twice and now racists from up north are moving into the State.
 

squeezer

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Did you even bother to look at the data closely?

The Republican Presidential candidate has received 49.1% or less four out of the last six elections. Obama carried it twice. Trump carried it twice. That my friend is the definition of competitive. Are you going to argue that Florida should flip-flop every four years to be deemed competitive?

I have some thoughts on why it might appear Florida is slipping away. I won't go into it because it will disturb the narrative that so others hold on to dearly and try to slog here. So for now.......let's just say Obama won the state twice and now racists from up north are moving into the State.
You are focusing in on the Presidential race which I figured you would. LOL

Have a peek at the House and Senate races since we are looking at the mid-terms unless it is 2024 :sneaky: and I am living in 2022.
 
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