More Canadian restaurants start tacking on an automatic 20 per cent tip to your bill

shack

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Another form of implied sale. Restaurant owners are betting that patrons will just go along on hit the accept button on the terminal.
I never do that because they calculate the tip percentage on the after tax total. I manually enter how much I want to tip.
 

simon482

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just had dinner delivered to my hotel room. 19.87$.

1-guy hammered on the door loud enough to wake the dead, okay maybe i was sleeping.
2- was holding the box my food was in on it's side.
3- didn't get off his cell phone the whole time at my door.
4- just handed me the food, didn't bother to say how much it was.
5- handed him the 20$ for the food and he just stared at me, so i shut the door. heard him call me an asshole to whoever he was on the phone to.
 

simon482

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Not only would I have given him the same shitty tip, I would have made a phonecall or sent an email to his manager / employer.
i am on my last day of vacation in cali, i will never see him again. i don't care that much.
 

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If it is optional whereby you can cancel the "suggested" amount of tip and adjust it to your preference, then I don't have a problem with it. I would not go to a place where the tip was a required amount. I would expect poor service at such establishments as the incentive to provide good service is lost. My tipping range is between 0 and 20%. If it is acceptable service I give 15%. For really attentive service I will tip 20%. In some cases I have left nothing where service was really rude, I was abandoned at my table, had to ask for the same thing multiple times, or some part of the meal was forgotten which ruined the part of your meal that actually arrived. You have to have some understanding for the server though. Sometimes it is simply not their fault. For example if your steak was over/under cooked but the service was still good, I take that into consideration. If you want to be a cheapskate and stiff the waiter just to save money, then stay home. But to pay a mandatory tip is just being a sucker.
 

james t kirk

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It's not a mandatory tip.

It's pre programmed into the hand held device should you wish to tip as a percentage.

You can easily over ride it, you can easily just type in a dollar amount.

The correct form of tip used to be 15% on the pretax total. Virtually all hand helds are rigged to tip on the bottom line. This is not correct.

Never the less, a tip of 18% on the bottom line equates to about 20% on the pretax subtotal. (I have noticed that some places have pre programmed 18%.)

Anyway, tip what you feel is justified and what you feel comfortable with.
 

SoftHands813

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If I saw that "suggested" tip, I would ask to speak to the manager, and explain to them the effect of their "suggested" tip:

1) I will reduce my planned tip by half
2) I will not return to that restaurant until the "suggested tip" policy has been removed
3) I will spread the word about that restaurant (maybe using the aforementioned website - good idea)

Maybe if enough people explained that to restaurant managers they'd get the message.

Yes, I know it's only a suggestion that can be overridden, but to even have an amount / percentage suggested to me is insulting. Leave the decision to me.

It's a bit like getting directions from someone on the street, and then they say, "hey, can I have a couple of bucks for that?". Grrrr....
 

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If I saw that "suggested" tip, I would ask to speak to the manager, and explain to them the effect of their "suggested" tip:

1) I will reduce my planned tip by half
2) I will not return to that restaurant until the "suggested tip" policy has been removed
3) I will spread the word about that restaurant (maybe using the aforementioned website - good idea)

Maybe if enough people explained that to restaurant managers they'd get the message.

Yes, I know it's only a suggestion that can be overridden, but to even have an amount / percentage suggested to me is insulting. Leave the decision to me.
+1...
 

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I tend to eat at Taverns, BBQ Joints and Diners so my bill is never that high.

For lunch I tend to leave a 5 dollar tip on a 12 bill

For dinner a 10 dollar tip on a 20 dollar bill.

I tend to frequent the same places so I pretty much so get great service.
 

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I will tip different percentages based on my impression of the service. My range is from 0% for the rare truly annoying sevice to about 25% for a small bill with good service. I would never go back to a restaurant that imposes a tip, regardless of the percentage. I want to be able to show either my annoyance or my satisfaction.
 

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I tend to eat at Taverns, BBQ Joints and Diners so my bill is never that high.

For lunch I tend to leave a 5 dollar tip on a 12 bill

For dinner a 10 dollar tip on a 20 dollar bill.

I tend to frequent the same places so I pretty much so get great service.
You are certainly entitled to tip whatever you want, but you are over-tipping.
 

LKD

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fuck that 20% tip... fuck tipping in general. Only in north america do I see this mandatory 15% tip that waiters feel they're entitled to... b.s.
 

69Shooter

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned leaving a big tip for a hot waitress hoping that she, in turn, would fuck them! That's where a thread like this usually winds up.
 

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I tend to eat at Taverns, BBQ Joints and Diners so my bill is never that high.

For lunch I tend to leave a 5 dollar tip on a 12 bill

For dinner a 10 dollar tip on a 20 dollar bill.

I tend to frequent the same places so I pretty much so get great service.
Yes you should tip well at places where you are a regular and where the staff knows your name, like your local pub.
 

james t kirk

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If I saw that "suggested" tip, I would ask to speak to the manager, and explain to them the effect of their "suggested" tip:

1) I will reduce my planned tip by half
2) I will not return to that restaurant until the "suggested tip" policy has been removed
3) I will spread the word about that restaurant (maybe using the aforementioned website - good idea)

Maybe if enough people explained that to restaurant managers they'd get the message.

Yes, I know it's only a suggestion that can be overridden, but to even have an amount / percentage suggested to me is insulting. Leave the decision to me.

It's a bit like getting directions from someone on the street, and then they say, "hey, can I have a couple of bucks for that?". Grrrr....
I think you're getting all worked up about nothing. Hate to see your head explode over something like an issue like this.
 

james t kirk

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You are certainly entitled to tip whatever you want, but you are over-tipping.
No, actually he's not over-tipping.

Rule of thumb is you tip higher on a small bill.

The girl who serves you a $10.00 lunch essentially does pretty much the same work as the girl who serves you a $50.00 lunch. Logic would dictate that you should tip about the same for the same level of effort.

Case in point, today, I went to Swiss Chalet for lunch. Bill was about $14 and change for my usual quarter white and a pop. I left the $20 and called it a day. An extra buck or two isn't going to break me and it goes to a woman who's working hard.

Some of you guys sound like you throw your money around like sewer lids.
 

JohnLarue

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No, actually he's not over-tipping.

Rule of thumb is you tip higher on a small bill.

The girl who serves you a $10.00 lunch essentially does pretty much the same work as the girl who serves you a $50.00 lunch. Logic would dictate that you should tip about the same for the same level of effort.

Case in point, today, I went to Swiss Chalet for lunch. Bill was about $14 and change for my usual quarter white and a pop. I left the $20 and called it a day. An extra buck or two isn't going to break me and it goes to a woman who's working hard.

Some of you guys sound like you throw your money around like sewer lids.
JD Rockefeller said
"Its not about what you make , its about what you save"
 

Jake2525

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Case in point, today, I went to Swiss Chalet for lunch. Bill was about $14 and change for my usual quarter white and a pop. I left the $20 and called it a day. An extra buck or two isn't going to break me and it goes to a woman who's working hard.
The old lady or kid who serves your happy meal works hard too but I'm sure most of us don't tip them anything.

I'd like to see employers pay the employees a decent salary and stop expecting the customers to subsidize the wages
 
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