The only difference is Trump is willing to do it openly. It's just the next step.
Minnesota Politicians assassinated.
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I called out right wing extremists to be the biggest threat to national security in North America.
This is an accurate statement.
Your numbers are about homicides.
That is just a domestic criminal justice issue.
Terrorism is a national security issue and even if the numbers are lower, far more serious.
This was true even on 9/11.
Am sure the number of homicides in 2001 far exceeded the 3000 deaths on 9/11.
However, 9/11 is more serious than those homicides.
The others didn't do it or say they would do it.
Only Trump did.
How can right-wingers pose such a great threat when they killed only 17 people in the US in 2023??
Especially when African-americans killed 3,075 victims of all races.
Is that really a hill you wanna die on??
Lol. Obama was known as the Deporter in Chief. While claiming to support the Dreamers.
I guess you prefer lies and out if sight out of mind.
I would argue that drug/human traffickers and fentanyl pouring in to the country are a significantly higher threat to national security.
I think the issue at the centre is how it is done. In a country under the rule of law, there is a process. Obama did use the proper legal process. Yes, a bit more of a pain, but it was very workable and kept everybody's rights intact. And it shows one can follow due process and still get the job done.
I think most people are in favor of removing illegals. It's how you do it. Throwing citizens or mistaken identity folks into prisons or holding centers without a hearing is not the right way. No system is perfect and i reckon obama made a few mistakes too. But i would reckon exercising due process minimized this.
Yes, and that is a hill every government will die on as well.How can right-wingers pose such a great threat when they killed only 17 people in the US in 2023??
Especially when African-americans killed 3,075 victims of all races.
Is that really a hill you wanna die on??
There is a reason there is clear distinction between terrorism and homicide.
Homicides even though are more in number, are not a threat national security.
They are a criminal justice issue that are handled by local PDs.
Terrorism is a national security threat that is always considered and treated more seriously than a homicide due to its implications, impact, propensity to create mass casualties, panic and propensity to create political instability.
Yup the FBI is lying and K. Douglas on a pooner board has the deets. lmfao.
Not really.
It is more of a criminal justice and public health issue.
They are not considered a national security threat until those cartels start interfering with the government, start assassinating politicians etc.,
Again, false equivalence.
Obama never unconstitutionally deported anyone, violated court orders, or invoked the AEA to run a program to target and round up undocumented migrants and deport them without due process to foreign concentration camps and prisons.
On this I agree wholeheartedly. Trump is attempting to bypass habeas corpus which is the final path to authoritarian rule. And needs to be stopped. And Trump has absolutely hockey sticked the use of various nefarious tools.
But Shaq was clearly claiming he is unique in the application of civil rights abuses. I pointed out that after 9/11 it became possible and was used. And in many cases Trump is using existing laws.
And I also think how you frame the question of who to remove is also important. Just say illegals and yes. Say criminals absolutely. But the raids on fields, meat plants, in the streets by snatching? I think the recent protests show how unpopular this is turning out.
By that reasoning islamic terrorism is the greatest threat in the world
You are never going to convince anyone that 17 murders committed by right-wingers is somehow a national security threat.
The far greater threat to society are the overall murders committed every year, and since you and Man Driller like to categorize these murders, the far greater threat to society are the people who commit the most murders, and sadly those are committed by African-americans.
In Toronto its a similar problem.
The vast majority of shootings and murders are committed by black gang members.
Therefore in Toronto thats the greater threat.
If you disagree, then tell me when was the last shooting in Toronto committed by a right-winger??
Then compare that to when the last shooting was committed by a black gang member.
And let us know what you come up with
And it gets worse for you @Shaquille Oatmeal
According to Grok in 2024 there were even less murders committed by right-wingers or white supremacists.
Just 13 in total.
Q. How many murders in the usa in 2024 were committed by right-wingers or white supremacists??
A. According to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), 13 murders in the U.S. in 2024 were linked to far-right extremism. Of these, 8 involved white supremacists, and 5 were connected to far-right anti-government extremists.
According to Grok in 2024 there were even less murders committed by right-wingers or white supremacists.
Just 13 in total.
Q. How many murders in the usa in 2024 were committed by right-wingers or white supremacists??
A. According to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), 13 murders in the U.S. in 2024 were linked to far-right extremism. Of these, 8 involved white supremacists, and 5 were connected to far-right anti-government extremists.
But wait, there's more 
Q. How many murders in the USA in 2025 were committed by islamic terrorists??
A. In 2025, 14 murders in the U.S. were attributed to Islamic terrorists, specifically from the New Orleans vehicle attack on January 1, 2025, carried out by Shamsud-Din Jabbar, who was inspired by ISIS
So Islamic terrorism has already committed more murders than what last year's right-wingers have, and there's still about 6 months left in the year
Q. How many murders in the USA in 2025 were committed by islamic terrorists??
A. In 2025, 14 murders in the U.S. were attributed to Islamic terrorists, specifically from the New Orleans vehicle attack on January 1, 2025, carried out by Shamsud-Din Jabbar, who was inspired by ISIS
So Islamic terrorism has already committed more murders than what last year's right-wingers have, and there's still about 6 months left in the year
We are talking terrorism in North America.
Homicides are not national security threats regardless of the number of deaths.
Terrorism is.
And right wing terrorism is the greatest threat to national security in North America as determined by the agencies responsible for national security.
So why should anyone convince you, when the agencies responsible for ensuring national security don't agree with you?
They will catch up.
They have already committed 2 murders per the subject of this thread.
7 were injured by the Cybertruck explosion.
After all there has been a 320% increase in right wing terrorism recently.
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