Minnesota Politicians assassinated.

[Phil C. McNasty]

That is irrelevant to this discussion because of the following reasons:
1. We are talking about terrorism, not violent crime.
2. The higher numbers for murder arrests (which is what your numbers are) are due to - inter gang violence which is largely black on black, over-policing and arrest bias. This is however not as much a threat as terrorism because it is largely localized to certain rough neighbourhoods.
The real threats to people are:
- Terrorism - Primarily committed by right wing terrorists.
- General violent crime (that include assaults, robberies, murders, rapes etc) - of which a majority are committed by Caucasians.

Wrong, violent crime (including murders) is a threat to our entire society.
And Blacks commit over 50% of all US murders as I already pointed out.

Here in Toronto its probably close to 90% of all murders committed black gang members.
TPS doesnt keep stats on crimes committed by race, but all you have to do is turn on the 6 o'clock news to see who's doing the shooting

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Seriously lay off the crack pipe Shaq. In the US in 2024 there were approximately 18,000 homicides. How many of those were attributed to terrorist/extremist deaths?

We are talking about terrorism.
It does not matter how many were attributed to terrorism.
Off those 18000 homicides 50% were committed by non-Blacks anyway and 93% of the homicides committed by Blacks were against other Blacks in inter gang activity.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Wrong, violent crime (including murders) is a threat to our entire society.

Yes and the majority of violent crime that threatens the entire society is either right wing terrorism or violent crime committed by non-Blacks.
Blacks primarily commit murders against other blacks in isolated and localized neighbourhoods due to gang violence.
So they are more of a threat to each other than they are to you or me.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

We are talking about terrorism

No, we're talking about murders in general and which group commits the most of them.

We all know which group that is, Shaq

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Yes and the majority of violent crime that threatens the entire society is either right wing terrorism or violent crime committed by non-Blacks.
Blacks primarily commit murders against other blacks in isolated and localized neighbourhoods due to gang violence.
So they are more of a threat to each other than they are to you or me

Stray bullets are a threat to everyone in society.

And no, blacks kill white people too (and lots of other races as well)

 

[kherg007]

Lads you can look up the data.
For usa in 2023 it is found here at statista:

Number of murder offenders by race 2023| Statista

In 2023, 8,842 murderers in the United States were white, while 6,405 were Black.

www.statista.com

Upshot - # murderers
8,842 white
6,405 black
5,796 unknown
461 other
From the site:
In 2023, 8,842 murderers in the United States were white, while 6,405 were Black. A further 461 murderers were of another race, including American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, and Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander. However, not all law enforcement agencies submitted homicide data to the FBI in 2023, meaning there may be more murder offenders of each race than depicted. While the majority of circumstances behind murders in the U.S. are unknown, narcotics, robberies, and gang killings are most commonly identified.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

@Shaquille Oatmeal

Do you know how many Americans were killed in 2023 by right-wingers or white supremacists??

 

[kherg007]

BTW I think part of the issue w right wing terrorism was when the report came out 15 years ago or so the outrage and attempts to silence it were really problematic, like how the US congress for years banned/suppressed research on gun violence on behest of the NRA. That being said, I do believe the right is more problematic now, whereas in the 70s it was the left wing groups.

The current case in Minnesota seems very much targeted political violence. He has a bloody hit list of democrats ffs.
However, let's see what his mental status is once they get him. In the past there have been sympathetic networks to hide such folks, like that Kopp bloke who killed an abortion doc in Buffalo and was secreted out to France where he was caught and extradited. But let's wait and see.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

So I just asked Grok AI the following questions and this was its responses.
You can check Grok for yourself: https://x.com/i/grok

First question:

Q. How many Americans were killed in 2023 by right-wingers or white supremacists??
A. According to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), 17 people were killed in the United States in 2023 in incidents linked to right-wing extremists, including white supremacists. Of these, 13 deaths were specifically attributed to white supremacist ideologies, with a significant portion tied to a single mass shooting in Jacksonville, Florida.

2nd question:

Q. How many African-americans were killed in the US in 2023 by whites?
A. According to the FBI’s 2023 Expanded Homicide Data Table 6, in single victim/single offender incidents, White offenders killed 89 Black or African-American victims.

Now here's the kicker.
Question #3

Q. How many whites were killed in the US in 2023 by African-americans?
A. According to the FBI’s 2023 Expanded Homicide Data Table 6, in single victim/single offender incidents, Black offenders killed 618 White victims.



In 2023 alone Blacks killed 618 white people

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

No, we're talking about murders in general

No we are not. That is a red herring. We are talking terrorism.
This thread is about a right wing terror attack.
Homicides are not a national security threat.
Terrorism is.

And no, blacks kill white people too (and lots of other races as well)

Yes blacks kill white people too, but 95% of murders committed by blacks is against other blacks.

@Shaquille Oatmeal
Do you know how many Americans were killed in 2023 by right-wingers or white supremacists??

A search says 17.
It also says that the total number of terror deaths in 2023, was also 17, with right wing terrorism accounting for 100% of those deaths.
Hence proving my point that post 9/11 right wing terrorism was the biggest threat to national security in North America.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

No we are not. That is a red herring. We are talking terrorism.
This thread is about a right wing terror attack.
Homicides are not a national security threat.
Terrorism is.

Yes blacks kill white people too, but 95% of murders committed by blacks is against other blacks.

A search says 17.
It also says that the total number of terror deaths in 2023, was also 17, with right wing terrorism accounting for 100% of those deaths.
Hence proving my point that post 9/11 right wing terrorism was the biggest threat to national security in North America.

How do you respond to these numbers, sweetheart??

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/minnesota-politicians-assassinated.890419/post-8997937

 

[Vinson]

He should get the death penalty the same like Mangione the guy that killed the health care Ceo, that the lefties love.

 

[Butler1000]

With good reason.
They are executing Trump's illegal, racist and unconstitutional policies, rather than actually do their part to protect the nation.

And DHS did the same thing under Bush and Obama. Trump just upped the thug scale.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

And DHS did the same thing under Bush and Obama. Trump just upped the thug scale.

No they didn't.
Obama and Bush did not do engage in illegal or unconstitutional rounding up and deportations.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

How do you respond to these numbers, sweetheart??

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/minnesota-politicians-assassinated.890419/post-8997937

So based on your numbers it seems a tiny minority of white victims are murdered by African Americans and a majority are killed by whites offenders.
So again caucasians seem to be the biggest threat to caucasians.

 

[Butler1000]

No they didn't.
Obama and Bush did not do engage in illegal or unconstitutional rounding up and deportations.

Guantanamo Bay? CIA black sites? FISA warrants? Immigration law that allowed this to justified in the first place already on the books?

It's literally the slippery slope. The erosion of freedoms gradually to get to this escalation. This is in no way a defense of Trump. In no way a watering down. It does show however the steady progression of rights suppression that has occured since 9/11 and hockey sticked under Trump.

Don't be naive.

 

[K Douglas]

Right wing terrorism is the single biggest threat to US national security.
Both in number of incidents and number of victims, post 9/11.

Ok so I'm going to call out you as well as mandrill and kusa, since they liked the post. This is a completely bogus statement.
Since 9/11 there have been 254 terrorist/extremist deaths in the United States. 141 have been perpetrated by Islamic extremists/black nationalists and 92 by right wing extremists (using a liberal definition). 21 no political motive.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

So based on your numbers it seems a tiny minority of white victims are murdered by African Americans and a majority are killed by whites offenders.
So again caucasians seem to be the biggest threat to caucasians

Yes, but you specifically called out white supremacists and right-wingers as being the biggest threat.
Those numbers dont break down how many murders committed by whites were from right- or left-wingers.

Again, please explain if only 17 Americans were killed by right-wingers or white supremacists in 2023, but 618 white people were killed by African-americans, how could right-wingers possibly pose the bigger threat to Americans. Your numbers dont add up. So please explain yourself.

Furthermore (according to grok) as a grand total African-americans killed 3,075 victims of all races.
This includes 618 White victims, 2,173 Black victims, and smaller numbers of other racial groups.

So how can right-wingers possibly cause a greater threat if they only killed a total of 17 Americans??

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Guantanamo Bay? CIA black sites? FISA warrants?

They are US military installations that have been run for decades now - and I agree, unconstitutionally.
But they have nothing to do with ICE rounding up undocumented migrants, invoking the AEA and unconstitutionally deporting them to foreign concentration camps, often in violation of court orders.
This is unique to Trump.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Ok so I'm going to call out you as well as mandrill and kusa, since they liked the post. This is a completely bogus statement.
Since 9/11 there have been 254 terrorist/extremist deaths in the United States. 141 have been perpetrated by Islamic extremists/black nationalists and 92 by right wing extremists (using a liberal definition). 21 no political motive.

Nope, those are numbers you just invented.

As of 2020, right-wing extremist terrorism accounted for the majority of terrorist attacks and plots in the US[19][20] and has killed more people in the continental United States since the September 11 attacks than Islamic terrorism.[21] The United States Department of Homeland Security reported in October 2020 that white supremacists posed the top domestic terrorism threat, which FBI director Christopher Wray confirmed in March 2021, noting that the bureau had elevated the threat to the same level as ISIS