Minnesota Politicians assassinated.
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No. ICE are not engaged in protecting the US.
They are engaged in executing Trump's Nazi policies.
That is a red herring.
Murders are not terrorism.
Right wing terrorism is the single biggest threat to US national security.
Both in number of incidents and number of victims, post 9/11.
Doesnt matter, dead people are dead people.
When it comes to murders African-americans by far do the most killing.
So before you start pointing fingers at others, might wanna look more in depth at the stats
Man, that just flew right over your head didn't it. The point being homeland security has been overstepping since it's inception. And expanding its reach.
Just because you agree with the targets doesn't mean you should agree with methods. And there is little difference.
I don't agree or disagree with targets.
I am saying that both FBI and DHS are the primary federal agencies responsible for domestic security.
They have both ruled that right wing terrorism is the biggest threat in North America post 9/11.
It is a red herring.
We are not talking murders.
We are talking terrorism, which has a very specific definition and right wing terrorism is the biggest threat in North America.
Doesnt matter, killing is killing regardless what the motive is.
Hhmm....lets have a look at Toronto's most wanted.
What do you see here??
I cant help but notice a common denominator
And my point is ICE is also now an agency charged with protection of the nation. But you don't trust them. But they are in fact a DIVISION of Homeland Security. Using the same databases and INTELLIGENCE services to do their job.
It's all one big happy family.
What matters is in fact the targets and methods. And who is calling who is the latest enemy. At one Martin Luther King was a threat by the FBI standards. And numerous other civil rights activists, anti war protesters. And the US govt will attach pretty broad labels.
I know many "right wing" people who are anti war. Libertarian types against a surveillance state and govt over reach. In many cases veterans who saw the carnage first hand and it turned them.
It's all labels. All dedicated to give license to round them up, use FISA warrents, harass and intimidate.
I like how Shaq loves to point his finger at one particular group, but when we point a finger at one of his protected groups he suddenly doesnt like it 
It does matter.
Terrorism and murder/crime are not remotely the same.
Terrorism is more serious due to its broader implications to not just public safety but also political stability.
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With good reason.
They are executing Trump's illegal, racist and unconstitutional policies, rather than actually do their part to protect the nation.
No sir, daily shootings are a threat to our entire society, no matter how hard you try to minimize it.
Case in point: https://globalnews.ca/news/9821370/search-for-suspects-woman-killed-stay-bullet-toronto/
It isn't the topic of the discussion.
The topic of the discussion is terrorism and terrorism is a bigger threat than everyday crime.
But if I were to indulge you for a moment (and I won't continue discussing this beyond what am going to say below as it is a red herring):
Table 43 Overview
ucr.fbi.gov
I've already read and documented here on another thread. I don't use wikipedia because a) its not objective and b) its quite often not accurate.
Domestic terrorism in the United States - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Terrorism in the United States - Wikipedia
Radical right (United States) - Wikipedia
Right-wing terrorism - Wikipedia
Go do some reading, sweetie.
Except you forget to mention that blacks in the US only make up around 13% of the population, but they commit over 51% of all murders.
Try again
That is irrelevant to this discussion because of the following reasons:
1. We are talking about terrorism, not violent crime.
2. The higher numbers for murder arrests (which is what your numbers are) are due to - inter gang violence which is largely black on black, over-policing and arrest bias. This is however not as much a threat as terrorism because it is largely localized to certain rough neighbourhoods.
The real threats to people are:
- Terrorism - Primarily committed by right wing terrorists.
- General violent crime (that include assaults, robberies, murders, rapes etc) - of which a majority are committed by Caucasians.
Seriously lay off the crack pipe Shaq. In the US in 2024 there were approximately 18,000 homicides. How many of those were attributed to terrorist/extremist deaths?It isn't the topic of the discussion.
The topic of the discussion is terrorism and terrorism is a bigger threat than everyday crime.
But if I were to indulge you for a moment (and I won't continue discussing this beyond what am going to say below as it is a red herring):
Table 43 Overview
ucr.fbi.gov
