Minnesota Politicians assassinated.

Valcazar

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And my point is ICE is also now an agency charged with protection of the nation. But you don't trust them. But they are in fact a DIVISION of Homeland Security. Using the same databases and INTELLIGENCE services to do their job.

It's all one big happy family.
The FBI isn't part of the DHS.
Neither is the CIA.
 

Valcazar

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Lol. Obama was known as the Deporter in Chief. While claiming to support the Dreamers.

I guess you prefer lies and out if sight out of mind.
Did Obama deport the Dreamers?
Why do you think his deportation record shows him to be anti-Dreamer or his support to be a lie?
 

mandrill

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Let's talk for a minute about Vance Luther Boelter's appointment to the Governor’s Workforce Development Board by Tim Walz.

1. He was reappointed. The initial appointment was by the prior Governor, Mark Dayton, who was also a Democrat in 2016.

2. The committee has 41 members, and is a nonpartisan, advisory only committee.

3. The role of the committee is to advise on how to train and utilize the workforce.

4. By legislation, there are 41 members on the committee representing different sectors panning business, labor, education, community organizations, government, and bipartisan legislative members, with a "majority" being required to be from the business sector.

5. Based on its size, mandated diversity, and non-partisan nature, it is likely there are both Democrats and Republicans on the committee, which has no legislative function.

6. Appointment is through an application process where the appointee applies for it.

7. Putting all of this together, we can conclude that Boelter's appointment to the board has not got a single fucking thing to do with his politics.

8. Boelter's politics are also known. He is a registered Republican, whose best friend since 4th grade says he was a Trump supporter, who preached in Africa about the evils of transgender and gay people, and who had 50 of the near 70 people on his target list who were either abortion providers or pro-choice advocates. To act like in any way, shape or form, that his "politics" were uncertain, or left-leaning, is to obtusely, obdurately, and obscenely, shove your head up your ass. Any questions?


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Phil C. McNasty

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We are talking terrorism in North America.
Homicides are not national security threats regardless of the number of deaths.
Terrorism is.
And right wing terrorism is the greatest threat to national security in North America as determined by the agencies responsible for national security.
So why should anyone convince you, when the agencies responsible for ensuring national security don't agree with you?

They will catch up.
They have already committed 2 murders per the subject of this thread.
7 were injured by the Cybertruck explosion.
After all there has been a 320% increase in right wing terrorism recently.
Okay fine, so by using your rules this year has been by far the greater threat from Islamic terrorism than from right-wingers, since the truck attack in New Orleans killed 15 people, and also injured 57 more (many with life-changing injuries). Right-wing attacks havent even come close to killing 15 people (yet).

The attacker placed an ISIS flag on his truck and had been radicalized by Islam on a trip to Egypt: https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-statement-on-the-attack-in-new-orleans

Now lets see if you're man enough to admit Islamic terror attacks have so far this year been far deadlier than right-wing attacks.
 

Valcazar

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8. Boelter's politics are also known. He is a registered Republican, whose best friend since 4th grade says he was a Trump supporter, who preached in Africa about the evils of transgender and gay people, and who had 50 of the near 70 people on his target list who were either abortion providers or pro-choice advocates. To act like in any way, shape or form, that his "politics" were uncertain, or left-leaning, is to obtusely, obdurately, and obscenely, shove your head up your ass. Any questions?
I don't think you register for parties in Minnesota, so I doubt he was a "registered Republican".

I'm not sure he even could be, legally.
 

Butler1000

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Excellent coverage from yesterday morning of the shooter and information about him. Also how this directly affects the balance of power in the State government.
 

Valcazar

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Excellent coverage from yesterday morning of the shooter and information about him. Also how this directly affects the balance of power in the State government.
Most of the original reaction among people I knew was that it had been explicitly to swing the balance of power in state government.
That doesn't seem likely as more information has come out, but without the manifesto I am not sure it can be ruled out yet.
(I did have to talk a bunch of people down that it was obviously that, though. As always, people like to run off with narratives long before there is real evidence.)
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Okay fine, so by using your rules this year has been by far the greater threat from Islamic terrorism than from right-wingers,
Threats are not determined by one off body counts.
Threats are determined based on an observed persistent pattern and that suggests a 320% increase in right wing terrorism in recent years.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Threats are not determined by one off body counts.
Threats are determined based on an observed persistent pattern and that suggests a 320% increase in right wing terrorism in recent years.
Wrong!
One of the main methods terrorism is measured is through volume (READ: body counts).

Question for you, whats the biggest terror threat facing the UK right now, Islamic or right-wing terrorism??
 

mandrill

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Most of the original reaction among people I knew was that it had been explicitly to swing the balance of power in state government.
That doesn't seem likely as more information has come out, but without the manifesto I am not sure it can be ruled out yet.
(I did have to talk a bunch of people down that it was obviously that, though. As always, people like to run off with narratives long before there is real evidence.)
Here are the 2 indicators for me.

1. If he had strong anti abortion views and the MN Dems are pro choice, that is likely the motivator in the killings..

2. The remainder of the 70-name kill list will indicate this asshole's views and his agenda.

So let's wait for more info on the above.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Wrong!
One of the main methods terrorism is measured is through volume (READ: body counts).

Question for you, whats the biggest terror threat facing the UK right now, Islamic or right-wing terrorism??
In Europe it is Islamic terrorism and in North America it is right wing terrorism.
And no, it is a persistent pattern of violence perpetrated by certain groups and individuals for certain ideological reasons that determines the threat designation.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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In Europe it is Islamic terrorism and in North America it is right wing terrorism
Good, I'm glad you're admitting Islamic terrorism is a far greater threat in UK (and also rest of Europe) than right-wing terrorism is.

And no, it is a persistent pattern of violence perpetrated by certain groups and individuals for certain ideological reasons that determines the threat designation
Thats only partially true.
Another key factor (and the most important one) is the lethality of terrorist attacks.
Islamic terrorists tend to blow up airplanes, trains, concert halls.....etc.
Their death toll tends to be much higher than right-wing terror, which also makes them a greater threat.

In Europe it is Islamic terrorism and in North America it is right wing terrorism
Now, can you answer why Islamic terror is greater threat in UK (or rest of Europe) than it is in North-America??
 
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