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LOL. Clearly Auricle is concerned, rightfully, that white males will be losing their jobs.
Poor Orry. There goes his shot at a $1M per year mining CEO job - for which he's WAY more qualified than any minority or woman.
 
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I'm sure there will be tons of women clamoring to go up north into harsh living conditions to work in the mines.......
They are trying that in construction. It hasn't been very successful. For some reason, nobody can't figure it out, ladies are not lining up to become laborers or bricklayers.
 

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Mining association launches regulations to diversify mostly 'male and white' industry


The infection is spreading......Hire based on merit...Plain and simple.
What's simple about merit? Like beauty, it's in the eye of the beholder. "Really good people|" always put in charge and the only real criteria is the "good people" factor. Care to take a good look at all the Trump administration appointees? Is America really going to be "GREAT AGAIN" that way? Try to move away from ruthless exploitation of natural resources and the righties squeal like stuck pigs🐷:eek:...
 
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They are trying that in construction. It hasn't been very successful. For some reason, nobody can't figure it out, ladies are not lining up to become laborers or bricklayers.
Almost as bad an idea as taking an uncertified submarine down to 12000 feet or electing a president with no political experience
 

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White people tend to hire white people and tend to even prefer picking white sounding names in resumes. It hasn't been about meritocracy till now either.
Business has always been about only one thing - making money. There was once a time when businessmen thought they could make more money by only hiring white employees. That time has LONG passed. Now, many employers believe they can make more money by hiring non-white people - in particular immigrants who are prepared to work harder and for less money than white, established Canadians. Go to any fast food restaurant, or any non-union construction site, and you will see exactly what I am talking about.

Why has this happened? Not because, like the Grinch, employer hearts grew 3 sizes. No, it's because it has worked to the advantage of employers. It has been more profitable to hire immigrants to work for less money.

Are there still holdouts who refuse to take advantage of this opportunity? Perhaps, but they would represent only a small fraction of employment opportunities.

That is the new employment reality in Canada.
 
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Only true for low paying jobs that Canadians don't want to do. So it is not just a matter of economics but also availability of labour.

Go to any corporate job or highly skilled job that pays well, you will see they ask for Canadian experience (which has nothing to do with skills but everything to do with the fact that they don't consider you Canadian enough) , or just not pick your resume because your name doesn't sound western etc., Aka racist hiring practices where white employer prefer white employees and selectively pick them. (And before you ask, every immigrant who is not an assylum seeker is qualified as the Canadian immigration system ensures that. And also before you ask, it is not about getting the job, they wont even pick your resume for an interview. And before you ask, immigrant eductional qualifications and job experience do count in Canada as the immigration process ensures that it does).

How do I know this? Because I am a former immigrant who has faced this and I know exactly how Canadian employers think/act.
Why wouldn't a Canadian employer trust Canadian education and training over foreign education and training to fill highly skilled/managerial positions? That has nothing to do with skin colour. Employers don't have the resources to assess whether a Nigerian actuarial science degree should be considered equivalent to an actuarial science degree from the University of Waterloo.

Low skill work is mostly on the job training, so it doesn't matter where you're from, only how hard you work and what wage you demand.
 

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Mining association launches regulations to diversify mostly 'male and white' industry


The infection is spreading......Hire based on merit...Plain and simple.
Totally right. I doubt there are any qualified female mining executives.
 

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Totally right. I doubt there are any qualified female mining executives.
Totally right. I doubt there are any qualified female mining executives.
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White people tend to hire white people and tend to even prefer picking white sounding names in resumes. It hasn't been about meritocracy till now either.
I bet 1/3 of Terbites have experienced this.
 
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Almost as bad an idea as taking an uncertified submarine down to 12000 feet or electing a president with no political experience
You mean electing president with fraud experience
 

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Of course women are qualified. The op is just using the same tired old argument that has kept boardrooms white and male.
 
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1. Because your educational qualifications need to be accredited when you apply for immigration by World Education Services. They will accredit your degree for the Canadian equivalent. If you don't have a proper degree per WES, then your application will be rejected. So immigrants who are already present here have Canadian equivalent degrees. Also to validate, whether a candidate has the required skills, you have a tried and tested method - interviews! In many cases immigrants won't even receive interview opportunities if they say they are immigrants or have non western sounding names.
While I'm not saying this never happens, at a time when there is a labour shortage in many employment categories in Canada, I believe it happens very seldom. It is business suicide not to fill a significant position if ANYONE qualified is available, and that conclusion applies whether the employer is a bigot or not.

However, employers may beg to differ from the opinions of WES as to whether foreign education or training should be viewed as equivalent to Canadian education and training.

The immigration process (federal law) is in no way integrated with human rights law in employment (for provincially regulated employment (which is most employment) provincial law).

2. Employers have themselves defined what Canadian experience means. They say and this is per them, that it has nothing to do with credentials or experience, but more to do with being "Canadian" or "fitting in". These don't have any passing grade or definitions. You don't face this in the US. Only Canada.
Employers are various levels of smart. The smarter employers will have more successful businesses than the stupid employers, so the the market looks after such issues. Not many employers care about "Canadian-ness". They WILL care about english communication skills, and they will hire the person who they think is MOST likely to do the work best among candidates. There is always some guesswork involved in that decision, but I can see nothing unreasonable about placing less faith (as opposed to NO faith) in foreign training and education.

Rightfully this has been termed a violation of immigrant's human rights by the ONHRC.
No they haven't, nor could they. Prohibition of discrimination in employment does not involve different tests depending upon whether a job applicant is an immigrant or has foreign education or experience. Nor is a human rights complaint a review of whether the employer objectively picked the best candidate for a job. The ONHRT could only find in favour of a complainant if the employer, in fact, made its decision (at least in part) based on the ethnicity, race or place of origin of the applicant. That is a different consideration than consideration of the weight to be given to the applicant's college or university, and/or the employer's ability to assess the relevance of an applicant's previous work experience.

Also it is a waste of everyone's time to allow immigrants on false promises. If this continues people will just leave and Canada will suffer.
I can fully agree with that. On the other hand, immigration is always a calculated gamble. No immigrant should assume that employers will view their qualifications favourably. It would be smart to apply for employment IN ADVANCE OF applying to emigrate.
 

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LOL. Clearly Auricle is concerned, rightfully, that white males will be losing their jobs.
Union members won't lose their jobs to be replaced by women or minorities.
They just can't do that. Company would lose every time in arbitration.
 
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